1982 Vintage with new hoops

ugo.santalucia
ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
edited October 2012 in Your road bikes
I've just built up a set of tubular wheels with period stuff bought on Ebay (Wolber profile rims and Mavic 501 hubs) and new DT swiss spokes... budget 70 pounds.
Weight 1444 grams... possibly the best value for money light wheel set?

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  • clarkey cat
    clarkey cat Posts: 3,641
    gawj
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    clarkey cat wrote:
    gawj

    Welsh for gorgeous? :shock:
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  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    Welsh for pron

    It's a lovely looking bike. Looks like a small cassette though. Must hope not to hit too many hills.

    The frame looks in mint condition.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    nathancom wrote:
    Welsh for pron

    It's a lovely looking bike. Looks like a small cassette though. Must hope not to hit too many hills.

    The frame looks in mint condition.

    It is a 13-23 with 41 at the front... Ok for most climbs, including some alpine ones... For the steep ones I have a 14-26 freewheel.
    The frame has been resprayed to original conditions last year. I love this bike, it is a joy to ride
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  • alihisgreat
    alihisgreat Posts: 3,872
    I don't even know what to say.. its too beautiful/
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    ALIHISGREAT wrote:
    I don't even know what to say.. its too beautiful/

    She is flattered... :oops:
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  • Paul 8v
    Paul 8v Posts: 5,458
    Looks lovely, thought you had a knackered spoke but it's your bt line :-)
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  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Pedals are a bit high tech, aren't they? :wink:
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Pedals are a bit high tech, aren't they? :wink:

    Yes, I do have the original super record, but I keep them for events, like the Eroica, Retroronde, Anjou etc... it's difficult to find replacement period shoes, hence I try to limit the use. Besides, clip in pedals are much much better and this is my "best bike", the one for sunny sundays etc...
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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    I was going to say the same about the pedals, but your logic in preserving the original Super Record pedals for special occasions makes perfect sense. It must be lovely to ride that in the Eroica...
    http://www.My-Bicycle-and-I.com
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    I was going to say the same about the pedals, but your logic in preserving the original Super Record pedals for special occasions makes perfect sense. It must be lovely to ride that in the Eroica...

    Yes, it is a luxury bike for the Eroica, with 2x6 gears, the real "hearoes" do it on 1920s bike with no gears o with a group of three sprockets and a Cambio Corsa... for the Eroica and the Retroronde I swap to a set of Nemesis rims though.
    This has done the Eroica three times in 2005,2006 and 2011 and will sadly give a miss to next sunday's one. :cry:
    It is even registered in the repository of Vintage bikes organised be the Eroica foundation (black badge at the base of the seat tube).
    I hope in the future I can enter it again, but it is a rather expensive trip down to Gaiole, although well worth it
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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    I was going to say the same about the pedals, but your logic in preserving the original Super Record pedals for special occasions makes perfect sense. It must be lovely to ride that in the Eroica...

    Yes, it is a luxury bike for the Eroica, with 2x6 gears, the real "hearoes" do it on 1920s bike with no gears o with a group of three sprockets and a Cambio Corsa... for the Eroica and the Retroronde I swap to a set of Nemesis rims though.
    This has done the Eroica three times in 2005,2006 and 2011 and will sadly give a miss to next sunday's one. :cry:
    It is even registered in the repository of Vintage bikes organised be the Eroica foundation (black badge at the base of the seat tube).
    I hope in the future I can enter it again, but it is a rather expensive trip down to Gaiole, although well worth it
    I have wanted to do that for quite a while, but I travel a lot for work and can't really justify gallivanting off to Italy on a lark - I am envious of your three trips. I have an old Campagnolo-equipped late 1970s Trek that would be a lot of fun for that.
    http://www.My-Bicycle-and-I.com
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    I have an old Campagnolo-equipped late 1970s Trek that would be a lot of fun for that.

    Have we seen this?
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    I was going to say the same about the pedals, but your logic in preserving the original Super Record pedals for special occasions makes perfect sense. It must be lovely to ride that in the Eroica...

    Yes, it is a luxury bike for the Eroica, with 2x6 gears, the real "hearoes" do it on 1920s bike with no gears o with a group of three sprockets and a Cambio Corsa... for the Eroica and the Retroronde I swap to a set of Nemesis rims though.
    This has done the Eroica three times in 2005,2006 and 2011 and will sadly give a miss to next sunday's one. :cry:
    It is even registered in the repository of Vintage bikes organised be the Eroica foundation (black badge at the base of the seat tube).
    I hope in the future I can enter it again, but it is a rather expensive trip down to Gaiole, although well worth it
    I have wanted to do that for quite a while, but I travel a lot for work and can't really justify gallivanting off to Italy on a lark - I am envious of your three trips. I have an old Campagnolo-equipped late 1970s Trek that would be a lot of fun for that.

    For something closer and cheaper, I recommend the Retroronde, it's only 70 Km, but really enjoyable, well run, unassuming and takes in some of the most beautiful roads in the Flanders... no need to enter 9 months in advance, you can enter on the day and it costs 10 Euro
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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    I was going to say the same about the pedals, but your logic in preserving the original Super Record pedals for special occasions makes perfect sense. It must be lovely to ride that in the Eroica...

    Yes, it is a luxury bike for the Eroica, with 2x6 gears, the real "hearoes" do it on 1920s bike with no gears o with a group of three sprockets and a Cambio Corsa... for the Eroica and the Retroronde I swap to a set of Nemesis rims though.
    This has done the Eroica three times in 2005,2006 and 2011 and will sadly give a miss to next sunday's one. :cry:
    It is even registered in the repository of Vintage bikes organised be the Eroica foundation (black badge at the base of the seat tube).
    I hope in the future I can enter it again, but it is a rather expensive trip down to Gaiole, although well worth it
    I have wanted to do that for quite a while, but I travel a lot for work and can't really justify gallivanting off to Italy on a lark - I am envious of your three trips. I have an old Campagnolo-equipped late 1970s Trek that would be a lot of fun for that.

    For something closer and cheaper, I recommend the Retroronde, it's only 70 Km, but really enjoyable, well run, unassuming and takes in some of the most beautiful roads in the Flanders... no need to enter 9 months in advance, you can enter on the day and it costs 10 Euro
    Wow. Thanks for the tip!
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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    I have an old Campagnolo-equipped late 1970s Trek that would be a lot of fun for that.

    Have we seen this?
    Not yet. It is stored in a shed back at the old family house in New England. I need to dig it out, polish it up and then, by golly, it'll be appearing!
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  • donkykong
    donkykong Posts: 160
    great looking vintage bike, i just love the classic machines
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    donkykong wrote:
    great looking vintage bike, i just love the classic machines

    They are coming back... the reliability and hassle free running make them viable alternatives to high maintenance fiddly 10-11 speeded modern bikes
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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    I totally agree.
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    That's rather sweet ugo. Lovely forks too - it always hurts my eyes seeing otherwise lovely Colnago Masters ruined aesthetically by straight forks. Those are perfect.

    I was out at the weekend on my relatively humble Raleigh Record Ace (but full 531 to be fair!). Working the Suntour Cyclone DT shifters was sublime - they are so nice. And I improved the bike by replacing the Weinmann 605s with a set of Superbe brakes which look and work better - the drive train is pretty much perfect.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    That too sounds like a lovely ride...
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    We should organise a ride of the "belles"... this is a country of collectors with a complete lack of vintage bicycle scene.
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  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    donkykong wrote:
    great looking vintage bike, i just love the classic machines

    They are coming back... the reliability and hassle free running make them viable alternatives to high maintenance fiddly 10-11 speeded modern bikes
    To be honest, I can't say I find 11-speed campag any more fiddly to maintain than a 7-speed downshifter drivetrain with the benefit of STIs.
  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    We should organise a ride of the "belles"... this is a country of collectors with a complete lack of vintage bicycle scene.
    This is making me want to get over to the old family house in the US and retrieve that vintage Trek...
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    nathancom wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    donkykong wrote:
    great looking vintage bike, i just love the classic machines

    They are coming back... the reliability and hassle free running make them viable alternatives to high maintenance fiddly 10-11 speeded modern bikes
    To be honest, I can't say I find 11-speed campag any more fiddly to maintain than a 7-speed downshifter drivetrain with the benefit of STIs.

    It's probably relatively new... indexed gearing is bound to go out of tune and need periodic readjustments. Gear cables with inner and outer tend to get rusted and gunked with muck and need to be replaced far more frequently at great cost. Cassettes last a lot less than old freewheels. Narrow chains last a lot less than chunky 6-7 speed ones... bottom bracket bearings, freehubs, I can go on... 8)
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    That too sounds like a lovely ride...

    It is nice thanks - but the 42-28 low gear is quite tough on the pleasant lanes of West Sussex!
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    nathancom wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    donkykong wrote:
    great looking vintage bike, i just love the classic machines

    They are coming back... the reliability and hassle free running make them viable alternatives to high maintenance fiddly 10-11 speeded modern bikes
    To be honest, I can't say I find 11-speed campag any more fiddly to maintain than a 7-speed downshifter drivetrain with the benefit of STIs.

    It's probably relatively new... indexed gearing is bound to go out of tune and need periodic readjustments. Gear cables with inner and outer tend to get rusted and gunked with muck and need to be replaced far more frequently at great cost. Cassettes last a lot less than old freewheels. Narrow chains last a lot less than chunky 6-7 speed ones... bottom bracket bearings, freehubs, I can go on... 8)

    Just compare an STi shifter with a downtube shifter and separate brake lever - the dt shifter is one big pivot, a couple of pieces of brass, a ball bearing and a bolt. The brake is two biggish over-engineered pivots in a couple of chunky pieces of alloy. Simplicity itself compared to the hair-raisingly complicated Campag Centaur STi shifters, with all the little tiny pivots and little pieces on my modern bikes.

    Ideally go un-indexed IMO for DT shifters. Indexing was an invention waiting for STi shifters I reckon.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    That is very true.

    In a large part I think cyclists have had innovation foisted on them, very expensively. To be sure, some of these innovations have been very nice indeed, but many have been brought about purely for the convenience and/or bottom line of the manufacturers.
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    That is very true.

    In a large part I think cyclists have had innovation foisted on them, very expensively. To be sure, some of these innovations have been very nice indeed, but many have been brought about purely for the convenience and/or bottom line of the manufacturers.

    Bikes have always been expensive... this one in 1982 was bought for 2,000,000 lire, which was about 800-1000 pounds... what is it in today's money? 3-4 grand I assume, which is in line with something similar today. The only difference with today's bikes is that I am not sure these will be in the same conditions in 30 years time... for the reasons discussed above
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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    Yes, my old Trek was a cool $1000 when I bought it in 1979, a phenomenal amount to spend on a bicycle.

    Good bikes have always been pricy - witness Rene Herse bikes back in the 1950s. But a good many if the innovations foisted upon us nowadays seem needlessly costly and offering benefits which most riders outside the pro ranks cannot take advantage of, and which sacrifice durability for illusory gains in lightness and stiffness.
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  • bluedoggy
    bluedoggy Posts: 285
    My profession is in Art and design and this to me represents perfection in design lines and grace. Stunning vintage bike.
    Wilier cento uno.

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