BBC S.P.O.T.Y.

B.M.R.

So many to chose from, but (as I stated in a similar post a while back), if there's even a hint of a footballer or a football team I will die a little inside.

They might as well just award it to the whole of Team GB - at least then you could argue Wiggo, Murray, Weir, Ennis, Farrah, Storey etc.. all won it. I just couldn't pick an individual winner.

IanTrcp

dw300 wrote:

On the personality thing, I honestly don't think there's a great deal of difference between Murray and Wiggins, in that they both don't really care for playing up to being a celebrity stereotype when there's a camera shoved in their face. They both just retain their natural demeanour, or at worst, clam up and seem disinterested. Brad is more ice-cool in competition, and Murray is totally the opposite and gets very hyped up, and they're both great to watch. The US Open final was Epic, if you stayed up for it. At least they're both positive. I hate it when people that haven't achieved sh*t, critisize them for not smiling inanely and churning out cliched sound-bytes for TV.

FFS this is Cake Stop not Pro Race :P

cooldad

TBH I don't give a fark. It's like who's your favourite Jedward.
Totally not important.

dylanfernley

its another limp programme, the cliche book will be well thumbed for the script, the archives for the highlights that we've all seen, and everyone will be on best behaviour, a bore fest for the armchair 'sports' fan.

guinea

Carl_P wrote:

Any other year he would have won it. This year he won't get a look in. David Weir will get my vote, 5000m, 800m, 1500m and a marathon in what 7 days?

This is going to sound harsh, and I don't mean to sound like a dick, but...

I'm afraid you have to look at the state of the competition.

He doesn't compete against a top pro field and any of these disciplines.

He's good at what he does, certainly. Can his achievements be compared against any other international pro athlete? Not in my opinion.

Frank the tank

guinea wrote:

Carl_P wrote:

Any other year he would have won it. This year he won't get a look in. David Weir will get my vote, 5000m, 800m, 1500m and a marathon in what 7 days?

This is going to sound harsh, and I don't mean to sound like a dick, but...

I'm afraid you have to look at the state of the competition.

He doesn't compete against a top pro field and any of these disciplines.

He's good at what he does, certainly. Can his achievements be compared against any other international pro athlete? Not in my opinion.

You can only beat what's around you fella. I think it's the range of the different distances that make his achievements impressive.

Gizmo_

Frank the tank wrote:

You can only beat what's around you fella. I think it's the range of the different distances that make his achievements impressive.

A range of different distances, yes. But all of them are about speed endurance (and a bit of a kick at the finish if required). It's not like the difference between the 100m and 1500m run where one is all anaerobic and the other is about aerobic fitness.

Also worth saying that the wheelchair athletes can (and do) freewheel, especially in longer races when they're trying to drag the pace down. None of which demeans his achievements at all, of course.

I don't think Weir will win because he comes over a bit cold, a bit snippy.

hobbescp

IMO the rankings should recognise that being 'first' Briton to achieve something where every other Briton has failed deserves special merit (like Bannister with the 4 minute mile).

Particularly in sports that are practiced by a significant proportion of the world's population. By way of example, I don't mind if you win15 gold medals in a sport like archery - good for you, but the fact that 0.00000000001% of the world's population have not done anything in this discipline beyond firing plastic arrows (with suction cups on the end) when we were four year olds means that it doesn't mean sh!t in the context of greatest sporting achievements of the year. This is why Redgrave, great though he undisputedly is, will never be my greatest Olympian of all time.

1. Wiggo
2. Farah
3. to be decided following further rumination....

Gizmo_

hobbescp wrote:

IMO the rankings should recognise that being 'first' Briton to achieve something where every other Briton has failed deserves special merit (like Bannister with the 4 minute mile).

Minor note: Bannister never won SPOTY. He was beaten to it by Christopher Chataway in the year he broke the 4-min mile. >nerd<

hobbescp

Gizmo_ wrote:

hobbescp wrote:

IMO the rankings should recognise that being 'first' Briton to achieve something where every other Briton has failed deserves special merit (like Bannister with the 4 minute mile).

Minor note: Bannister never won SPOTY. He was beaten to it by Christopher Chataway in the year he broke the 4-min mile. >nerd<

This is why I alone should be in charge of who wins.... 8)

Snakbar

guinea wrote:

Carl_P wrote:

Any other year he would have won it. This year he won't get a look in. David Weir will get my vote, 5000m, 800m, 1500m and a marathon in what 7 days?

This is going to sound harsh, and I don't mean to sound like a dick, but...

I'm afraid you have to look at the state of the competition.

He doesn't compete against a top pro field and any of these disciplines.

He's good at what he does, certainly. Can his achievements be compared against any other international pro athlete? Not in my opinion.

I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying the other wheelchair racers he competed against aren't pro athletes? They just turned up waved at the crowd and had their day in the sun?

Daz555

Awesome as Weir is, the fact he is the best from 800m to a marathon suggests there is a lack of maturity in those sports.

Drumlin

Drumlin wrote:

I have reservations about Wiggins' personality but becoming the first British winner of the Tour de France is such a monumental achievement that I will put those to one side. He gets my vote.

After the disappointment of his latest display of yobbishness, I've reverted back to my original position. Anyone but Wiggo. Preferably Jess or Mo.

nunowoolmez

Eh? What display?

cornerblock

I think he may be referring to this 'wave' to the waiting photographers outside the hospital after his accident.



Personally I think the BBC SPOTY is just insignificant. Yes whoever wins will stand up there and say how happy they are to be collecting the award ahead of all these great sportsmen and women blah blah blah. Really though it comes way way down in the list of priorities for all top sports people. In ten years time who will remember or even care who won.

Just my opinion.

verylonglegs

Quite, about half a million votes in total were cast last year when Cavendish won, as an award it's hardly the voice of the nation.

nunowoolmez

Meh. Who cares? Doubt people will care about this really, i mean he is just leaving hospital after an accident & just wants to be left alone with his family. He is still a national hero, this won't make any difference. Infact i think people will just see him as a regular bloke even more so now. This was meant for the photograpgers afterall, not the public. He will still win.

1. Bradley
2. Murray
3. Mo

mr_goo

Would like to see the following honoured:
Mo Farah
Jess Ennis
Dave Weir
Ben Ainslie
and for overseas it has to be Alex Zanardi, not only for his 2 golds at London 2012 but for his selfless act of forgoing personal gain and towing a fellow wheelchair athlete in the recent Venice Marathon. A true sportsman.

Would be great to honour both individual awards to paralympians, as this year has certainly put disabled sport in to the public eye.

In my opinion Wiggins has probably cooked his goose with that one fingered salute and I would be quite disappointed if he did win.

mfin

Hope Mo doesn't win, he's nice enough but he's an airhead. Anyone see him on Jonathan Ross? Getting an interesting interview out of him was impossible.

Nothing to do with liking cycling, but I hope Brad wins, if not Murray will do. Proper Brits that are dry and good at what they do. Can't help but think Ennis is good at what she does but its a bit of an all rounder thing, likeable girl but she aint no Daley Thompson.

Gizmo_

Zanardi should get the Helen Rollason award "for outstanding achievement in the face of adversity". Can't think of a finer winner, ever.

mamba80

mfin wrote:

Hope Mo doesn't win, he's nice enough but he's an airhead. Anyone see him on Jonathan Ross? Getting an interesting interview out of him was impossible.

Nothing to do with liking cycling, but I hope Brad wins, if not Murray will do. Proper Brits that are dry and good at what they do. Can't help but think Ennis is good at what she does but its a bit of an all rounder thing, likeable girl but she aint no Daley Thompson.

another patronising sexist remark....are you a magistrate?

GiantMike

mamba80 wrote:

mfin wrote:

Hope Mo doesn't win, he's nice enough but he's an airhead. Anyone see him on Jonathan Ross? Getting an interesting interview out of him was impossible.

Nothing to do with liking cycling, but I hope Brad wins, if not Murray will do. Proper Brits that are dry and good at what they do. Can't help but think Ennis is good at what she does but its a bit of an all rounder thing, likeable girl but she aint no Daley Thompson.

another patronising sexist remark....are you a magistrate?

Is it better to say she's a dislikeable girl? Maybe I'm a magistrate but I can't see what's sexist about his comment.

Monkeypump

GiantMike wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

mfin wrote:

Hope Mo doesn't win, he's nice enough but he's an airhead. Anyone see him on Jonathan Ross? Getting an interesting interview out of him was impossible.

Nothing to do with liking cycling, but I hope Brad wins, if not Murray will do. Proper Brits that are dry and good at what they do. Can't help but think Ennis is good at what she does but its a bit of an all rounder thing, likeable girl but she aint no Daley Thompson.

another patronising sexist remark....are you a magistrate?

Is it better to say she's a dislikeable girl? Maybe I'm a magistrate but I can't see what's sexist about his comment.

I don't think it's sexist, but possibly the most ill-informed comment I've read in a while. The irony of claiming Wiggo or Murray have more personality than Farah? I agree he wasn't great on Jonathan Ross, but the other two are hardly rapier wits or insightful commentators on their respective sports (or anything else for that matter).

I think Wiggo has done amazing things for cycling, but in the bigger world of general sport (and to the non-cycling public) he's just won a race that lots of other people have won, but happens to be a Brit, then won his his event in the Olympics.

For me, the most deserving winner is Weir, but I can't see him getting it. And TBH, who cares? SPOTY is a nonsense.

On the subject of Zinardi - absolute legend, and a true sportsman. Would he be seen giving the press the bird? I doubt it.

Gizmo_

Monkeypump wrote:

For me, the most deserving winner is Weir, but I can't see him getting it. And TBH, who cares? SPOTY is a nonsense.

Great athlete. But he won't win, because he looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp even when he's happy and you get the distinct impression that he's just not very nice.

Whereas Ennis is the sort of lovely girl that you could take home to your Mum and she'd volunteer to do the dishes. That is, if you could get her there for all her stopping to help grannies cross the road. Oh, and she's quite good, too.

capt_slog

The shortlist...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/sports-per ... y/20467299

Ron Stuart

What no darts player :?:

If it's personality driven then it's got to either Jess or Mo.

If it were shear achievement then Wiggo's the choice for me.

But there all heroes :!:

Nearly went once in 1992 I was runner-up in a World Sailing Champs when Ben Ainsley was very young :shock: