Got the dreaded call.

Yellow Peril

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

'in between jobs'

That's optimistic.


My dilema - chances are I can get myself a pretty respectable job with respectable pay in my current industry (exec search).

However, I'm keen to move industry, either to mgnt consulting where I have some experience (though not much, 4 months paid internship) or more reserach/analyst orientated role.

Chances I can bag one of those? Pretty slim. So do I hold out or not?

If I take another search role, it'd make it even harder to change industry than it already is, since they'll inevitably ask the question 'if you wanted out, why did you go to another?'.

In a market environment where employers can be very picky, why take a risk on someone with no prior industry experience when they can, in all likelihood, get someone who can?

Not really asking for advice, I know the deal, I'm just stuck between the two.


(if you don't mind me hijacking your thread obviously...)

I don't buy that. No would be employer would expect you to martyr yourself and pass up employment elsewhere for the sake of changing industries.

In any event if that question was asked there are lots of acceptable answers starting with "I needed a job" .I think they would applaude your work ethic better than the artisan approach of doing nothing until the right job for you turns up.

I've changed "industries" two or three times, that question has never arisen.

smidsy

Mr Goo wrote:

First meeting of the consulting process this morning. Went better than expected. In a way that my projected pay off is better than anticipated. Makes things a bit more comforting should job seeking become a bit drawn out. Was even told that if I find a job whilst working out notice/garden leave, I can start it and I would be receiving 2 wages!! Other good thing is that one of my colleagues in the consultation pool with me is now on holiday for 2 weeks, so hopefully this should extend my tenure a wee bit longer. As I do not think they company can make decision until all are available to be called in for final decision.
It is sad to see quite a few of the regular contributors on BR are 'in between jobs' as they used to say in the olden days. Good luck everyone.

But the advice you have been given by ACAS etc still stands - they are not complying by treating people in the same role differently.

Are they giving you all the opportunity to apply for roles on the new structure?? If not - again this is incorrect.

Even if you are happy to leave and take the cash keep a note of the events/circumstances/non conformances and you can still claim for unfair/constructive dismissal as appropriate.

mr_goo

Those involved in the process are all keeping records of the circumstances. We do know that the company are not playing this fairly. If I go, I will wait till money is in the bank and then seek advice. As they say 'Revenge is a dish best served cold'.

Pross

Rick Chasey wrote:

Mr Goo wrote:

'in between jobs'

That's optimistic.


My dilema - chances are I can get myself a pretty respectable job with respectable pay in my current industry (exec search).

However, I'm keen to move industry, either to mgnt consulting where I have some experience (though not much, 4 months paid internship) or more reserach/analyst orientated role.

Chances I can bag one of those? Pretty slim. So do I hold out or not?

If I take another search role, it'd make it even harder to change industry than it already is, since they'll inevitably ask the question 'if you wanted out, why did you go to another?'.

In a market environment where employers can be very picky, why take a risk on someone with no prior industry experience when they can, in all likelihood, get someone who can?

Not really asking for advice, I know the deal, I'm just stuck between the two.


(if you don't mind me hijacking your thread obviously...)

Can't you place yourself at one of your Clients and then you can claim the commission as well as having a new job? You can also sabotage the chances of anyone else going for it that way

Avant

Apologies for the thread resurrection - it seems like there is now another fairey that must not be named, the R one..

The ominous comms from the business about reviewing its operating structure and speculation in the industry press about 'hundreds of job losses'. I know the annoucement will come next week which will make this week very slow in passing.........

thecrofter

30th Nov is my last day, been with the company for 14yrs. Why is it redundancy always happens 1. at Christmas and 2. when the weather is sh1t?

smidsy

thecrofter wrote:

30th Nov is my last day, been with the company for 14yrs. Why is it redundancy always happens 1. at Christmas and 2. when the weather is sh1t?

Living where you do that could be July

Hope you get sorted soon and remember the wise words of your slightly more famous countryman "there is no such thing as bad weather, just poor clothing" (Billy Connolly).

All the best

daviesee

Rick Chasey wrote:

Well I'm redundant too.

Not ideal, but not worst case. I should have been making more of an effort to leave anyway.

If I keep the gas on re applying and get a little lucky I should end up up financially after redundancy pay.

Gotta hit it hard mind.

That's if you get redundancy. Have you been told that you will? If so, you are lucky.
They only have to pay out after 2 years continuous employment, and then only one weeks pay per year employed.
Just preparing you in case you are simply optimistic.

BowtomePhil

I hate redundancy, sorry to all those who are going through it or have already.

I have been made redundant 3 times. One I found a job quickly, the other 2 took me 9 months.

I have also been tuped 3 times. My last redundancy was when I was 46, I thought how the hell am I going to get another job. But found one and am now in the best job ever.

Fingers crossed for you all.

dylanfernley

The last time i was made redundant,it was a relief from a job that had turned very sour, i have since sorted out my benefit entitlements, and we are no worse off financially, the kids can now have hot meals, and i can go cycling whenever it suits-- in my occupation(joiner) there is virtually no work going on, so ithink i'll be getting the miles in while looking for work

essexeagle

I'm old enough to remember Norman Tebbitt telling people looking for work to get on their bikes.....

dylanfernley

He was a cartoonists dream, guy was a fruit cake, (still is)- he was another that got away with it in brighton

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Well I'm redundant too.

Not ideal, but not worst case. I should have been making more of an effort to leave anyway.

If I keep the gas on re applying and get a little lucky I should end up up financially after redundancy pay.

Gotta hit it hard mind.

That's if you get redundancy. Have you been told that you will? If so, you are lucky.
They only have to pay out after 2 years continuous employment, and then only one weeks pay per year employed.
Just preparing you in case you are simply optimistic.

Sure I got that. They put me on gardening leave and I got the 2 weeks for each year, plus holiday, plus any bonus I'd acrrued that I hadn't been paid. Advantage that because it's a redundancy pay and it's less than £30k (unsurprisingly) it's tax free, so that's a result.

I knows my entitlements. Hit my bank account this morning.

So far I've met 7 firms and had 9 interviews 2 were looking for experience I didn't have but good feedback, 2 were mutual no's on grounds of culture clashes, 3 are keen. 1 will take me of if the business is there and will get back when he's sure, the other two I'm in to meet more people later on.

I've got 5 recruiters working my profile and I've got another 2 or 3 interviews in the pipeline, and I'm harrassing them to keep putting me infront of more of them.

So far, not bad.

thecrofter

BowtomePhil wrote:

I hate redundancy, sorry to all those who are going through it or have already.

I have been made redundant 3 times. One I found a job quickly, the other 2 took me 9 months.

I have also been tuped 3 times. My last redundancy was when I was 46, I thought how the hell am I going to get another job. But found one and am now in the best job ever.

Fingers crossed for you all.

That's kind of what I'm holding on to. Everyone I've ever known that was made redundant, two years later has said " You know it was the best thing that could have happened"

daviesee

Rick Chasey wrote:

........So far, not bad.

Good news.
I was under the impression that you hadn't been there that long and were therefore an easy target for getting nowt. Happened to me once after 13 months when I had went from freelance to staff for security :evil:
You'll know all the new opportunities schpeel by now.

daviesee

thecrofter wrote:

That's kind of what I'm holding on to. Everyone I've ever known that was made redundant, two years later has said " You know it was the best thing that could have happened"

THIS.
I have been laid off 8 times. Don't regret a single one, even the ones with no pay out.

mr_goo

Officially out of work as of today.

bennett_346

Out of curioscity, what role in the construction industry are /were you unfortunate souls ( ) working in?

I'm doing my second year of a Building Surveying degree and i know the industries bad but this stuff does make me worry

rick_chasey

daviesee wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

........So far, not bad.

Good news.
I was under the impression that you hadn't been there that long and were therefore an easy target for getting nowt. Happened to me once after 13 months when I had went from freelance to staff for security :evil:
You'll know all the new opportunities schpeel by now.

Update.

Got offered by a firm yesterday. Got the offer letter today.

Another one should come through if all else goes well at the beginning of next week.

All good since I'm still only into week 3 of gardening leave (of a month) and I'm off on holiday tomorrow.

So, I'm financially up because of the redundancy pay, have a better job that pays more and adds more value to my career, and the start date is a week after I get back, so I get an extra week off.

Every cloud....

mr_goo

bennett_346 wrote:

Out of curioscity, what role in the construction industry are /were you unfortunate souls ( ) working in?

I'm doing my second year of a Building Surveying degree and i know the industries bad but this stuff does make me worry

Was working for UK division of Europe's largest manufacturer in a certain sector of the civils market (cannot say more).
The construction industry will in time pick up and there will be a massive shortage of qualified people in architecture, engineering etc. Stick with your degree and by the time you qualify things may have turned around.

mr_goo

bennett_346 wrote:

Out of curioscity, what role in the construction industry are /were you unfortunate souls ( ) working in?

I'm doing my second year of a Building Surveying degree and i know the industries bad but this stuff does make me worry

Was working for UK division of Europe's largest manufacturer in a certain sector of the civils market (cannot say more).
The construction industry will in time pick up and there will be a massive shortage of qualified people in architecture, engineering etc. Stick with your degree and by the time you qualify things may have turned around.

okgo

Rick Chasey wrote:

daviesee wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

........So far, not bad.

Good news.
I was under the impression that you hadn't been there that long and were therefore an easy target for getting nowt. Happened to me once after 13 months when I had went from freelance to staff for security :evil:
You'll know all the new opportunities schpeel by now.

Update.

Got offered by a firm yesterday. Got the offer letter today.

Another one should come through if all else goes well at the beginning of next week.

All good since I'm still only into week 3 of gardening leave (of a month) and I'm off on holiday tomorrow.

So, I'm financially up because of the redundancy pay, have a better job that pays more and adds more value to my career, and the start date is a week after I get back, so I get an extra week off.

Every cloud....

However sales jobs are a not hard to find, if I lost my job today I'd be in work by next week I'd imagine. You can't apply your job hunt to others in different industry's (not that you were, but for those reading feeling jealous) as it just doesn't work like that in other sectors. In a way its what makes sales jobs quite attractive to many, decent money and you'll never be out of work (depending how niche you are) if its recruitment, advertising, houses, cars etc.

I've been made redundant once and it was a blessing in disguise, probably, but it never feels like that at the time.

king_jeffers

Currently in the same situation, I’ve been related to a job however its 12k less than my current wage, the job I’ve been related to is effectively the same as my current role only with a change of name and some additional tasks. To compound things the atmosphere at work is poisonous, took my first sick leave in 5 years last week just to get away from it. Still on the good side we have a little one on the way, due beginning of December, just trying to keep this in mind. Also nice to know not the only one going through this.

mr_goo

okgo wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

daviesee wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

........So far, not bad.

Good news.
I was under the impression that you hadn't been there that long and were therefore an easy target for getting nowt. Happened to me once after 13 months when I had went from freelance to staff for security :evil:
You'll know all the new opportunities schpeel by now.

Update.

Got offered by a firm yesterday. Got the offer letter today.

Another one should come through if all else goes well at the beginning of next week.

All good since I'm still only into week 3 of gardening leave (of a month) and I'm off on holiday tomorrow.

So, I'm financially up because of the redundancy pay, have a better job that pays more and adds more value to my career, and the start date is a week after I get back, so I get an extra week off.

Every cloud....

However sales jobs are a not hard to find, if I lost my job today I'd be in work by next week I'd imagine. You can't apply your job hunt to others in different industry's (not that you were, but for those reading feeling jealous) as it just doesn't work like that in other sectors. In a way its what makes sales jobs quite attractive to many, decent money and you'll never be out of work (depending how niche you are) if its recruitment, advertising, houses, cars etc.

I've been made redundant once and it was a blessing in disguise, probably, but it never feels like that at the time.

Was in sales!!
The jobs are not two a penny as you seem to think. These days you need industry/sector experience and the experience of B2B sales/negotiations/business development/account management etc etc. So do not think for one minute that if you find yourself redundant like myself and my other colleagues in sales that you could waltz straight into a well paid job with a car, laptop, iphone and pension scheme. It is harder than you quite obviously think. Plus once you've got the job you have to deliver the sales, in an extremely difficult market (at the mo').

Lately the MO of many employers in the construction sales market is to work you like a dog for the 6 months probation period. Thereby building up a very nice enquiry bank. Then let you go without any notice or severance. Have two colleagues that this has happened to. One of whom was so angry about the treatment that he poured engine grinding paste in to the company car engine as payback.

dylanfernley

sounds like i'm better on the dole than all that shit. Construction has always been a cut throat game, and for an active trade unionist a difficult one to get a 'start'-- but i wouldnae change any thing i've done-- forwards ever, backwards never! ymlaen

okgo

Mr Goo wrote:

okgo wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

daviesee wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

........So far, not bad.

Good news.
I was under the impression that you hadn't been there that long and were therefore an easy target for getting nowt. Happened to me once after 13 months when I had went from freelance to staff for security :evil:
You'll know all the new opportunities schpeel by now.

Update.

Got offered by a firm yesterday. Got the offer letter today.

Another one should come through if all else goes well at the beginning of next week.

All good since I'm still only into week 3 of gardening leave (of a month) and I'm off on holiday tomorrow.

So, I'm financially up because of the redundancy pay, have a better job that pays more and adds more value to my career, and the start date is a week after I get back, so I get an extra week off.

Every cloud....

However sales jobs are a not hard to find, if I lost my job today I'd be in work by next week I'd imagine. You can't apply your job hunt to others in different industry's (not that you were, but for those reading feeling jealous) as it just doesn't work like that in other sectors. In a way its what makes sales jobs quite attractive to many, decent money and you'll never be out of work (depending how niche you are) if its recruitment, advertising, houses, cars etc.

I've been made redundant once and it was a blessing in disguise, probably, but it never feels like that at the time.

Was in sales!!
The jobs are not two a penny as you seem to think. These days you need industry/sector experience and the experience of B2B sales/negotiations/business development/account management etc etc. So do not think for one minute that if you find yourself redundant like myself and my other colleagues in sales that you could waltz straight into a well paid job with a car, laptop, iphone and pension scheme. It is harder than you quite obviously think. Plus once you've got the job you have to deliver the sales, in an extremely difficult market (at the mo').

Well our markets are obviously quite different as I certainly could.

dw300

I got made redundant 18 months back (in April, so 2 summers, 1 winter .. perfect timing). Just got a new job with a salary that's just over 50% more, with an extra working week holiday, and half an hour less per day (so about 20 working days less per year). So it definitely can be a blessing in disguise.

rick_chasey

okgo wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

daviesee wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

........So far, not bad.

Good news.
I was under the impression that you hadn't been there that long and were therefore an easy target for getting nowt. Happened to me once after 13 months when I had went from freelance to staff for security :evil:
You'll know all the new opportunities schpeel by now.

Update.

Got offered by a firm yesterday. Got the offer letter today.

Another one should come through if all else goes well at the beginning of next week.

All good since I'm still only into week 3 of gardening leave (of a month) and I'm off on holiday tomorrow.

So, I'm financially up because of the redundancy pay, have a better job that pays more and adds more value to my career, and the start date is a week after I get back, so I get an extra week off.

Every cloud....

However sales jobs are a not hard to find, if I lost my job today I'd be in work by next week I'd imagine. You can't apply your job hunt to others in different industry's (not that you were, but for those reading feeling jealous) as it just doesn't work like that in other sectors. In a way its what makes sales jobs quite attractive to many, decent money and you'll never be out of work (depending how niche you are) if its recruitment, advertising, houses, cars etc.

I've been made redundant once and it was a blessing in disguise, probably, but it never feels like that at the time.

Charmer .

Given my role isn't revenue generating but is support for those who do, I wouldn't call my role espeically sales.

Anonymous

Last day on Thursday. Chasey, mind if I put you to work?