Had my first crash, should i change something?

ben11

So i came off at my local trail centre Saturday, it was on a limestone surface i think, at high speed but only a very slight bend. I came off sideways, i think i lost grip at the front but its difficult to recall.

I'm running Conti mountain king racesport 2.2 front and rear. I pumped my tires up to around 31/32ish psi but i had an issue with my front wheel which meant i had to re-inflate before i started the trail, i tried to match it by feel to the rear wheel but i obviously don't know what i was running at the time of the incident.

It could just be one of those things you learn from and maybe I was just going too fast but its good to get a 2nd opinion.

Cheers.

DodgeT

I run lower in the front than the rear, as there is a lot less weight on the front tyre, so want it to grip a bit better hence the lower pressure.

YeehaaMcgee

I'll put money on it being rider error.

Majski

If you know that much about your bike and tyre pressures but have never crashed I'd say ride more, read less.

rockmonkeysc

Best thing to do is not ask for advice on forums like this. You will get all sorts of wrong or useless advice.

VWsurfbum

sounds like straight forward tyre wash out, not ness rider fail. i have done it, and if you dont get it from time to time, your not trying hard enough

rockmonkeysc

VWsurfbum wrote:

sounds like straight forward tyre wash out, not ness rider fail. i have done it, and if you dont get it from time to time, your not trying hard enough

Tyre washouts are always caused by poor technique. Line choice, failing to ride roots properly, speed, position on the bike, pedal position, dragging brakes when you shouldn't, bike set up.

VWsurfbum

RockmonkeySC wrote:

VWsurfbum wrote:

sounds like straight forward tyre wash out, not ness rider fail. i have done it, and if you dont get it from time to time, your not trying hard enough

Tyre washouts are always caused by poor technique. Line choice, failing to ride roots properly, speed, position on the bike, pedal position, dragging brakes when you shouldn't, bike set up.

Always?

If your riding the same place the same way and always go the same line then maybe.

If your riding new places, new routes on the same bike using the same skills then terrain can catch you out.
My most noticable wash out was in a race where the ground gave way on the edge of a bombhole and i ended up going over and sliding into it, and bending a (single) crank ring in the process. :roll:

bails87

VWsurfbum wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

VWsurfbum wrote:

sounds like straight forward tyre wash out, not ness rider fail. i have done it, and if you dont get it from time to time, your not trying hard enough

Tyre washouts are always caused by poor technique. Line choice, failing to ride roots properly, speed, position on the bike, pedal position, dragging brakes when you shouldn't, bike set up.

Always?

If your riding the same place the same way and always go the same line then maybe.

If your riding new places, new routes on the same bike using the same skills then terrain can catch you out.

That would be rider error then, shirley?

ilovedirt

Either way, it was likely just a simple mistake. They happen from time to time. 99.9% of my crashes (and I crash a lot!) are down to me either not paying attention properly or just making a stupid mistake. Sometimes it all happens so fast that I've got no idea what I did, but I can usually guarantee that it was my own fault.

VWsurfbum

bails87 wrote:

VWsurfbum wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

VWsurfbum wrote:

sounds like straight forward tyre wash out, not ness rider fail. i have done it, and if you dont get it from time to time, your not trying hard enough

Tyre washouts are always caused by poor technique. Line choice, failing to ride roots properly, speed, position on the bike, pedal position, dragging brakes when you shouldn't, bike set up.

Always?

If your riding the same place the same way and always go the same line then maybe.

If your riding new places, new routes on the same bike using the same skills then terrain can catch you out.

That would be rider error then, shirley?

Dont Call me Shirley
What i was trying to say was, if your riding was spot on, technique etc, still a slippery root or black ice etc can still catch you out, no matter how good you are.

YeehaaMcgee

VWsurfbum wrote:

bails87 wrote:

VWsurfbum wrote:

RockmonkeySC wrote:

VWsurfbum wrote:

sounds like straight forward tyre wash out, not ness rider fail. i have done it, and if you dont get it from time to time, your not trying hard enough

Tyre washouts are always caused by poor technique. Line choice, failing to ride roots properly, speed, position on the bike, pedal position, dragging brakes when you shouldn't, bike set up.

Always?

If your riding the same place the same way and always go the same line then maybe.

If your riding new places, new routes on the same bike using the same skills then terrain can catch you out.

That would be rider error then, shirley?

Dont Call me Shirley
What i was trying to say was, if your riding was spot on, technique etc, still a slippery root or black ice etc can still catch you out, no matter how good you are.

Yep - and that would be rider error, since you didn't see it or react to it.

felix.london

ilovedirt wrote:

Either way, it was likely just a simple mistake. They happen from time to time. 99.9% of my crashes (and I crash a lot!) are down to me either not paying attention properly or just making a stupid mistake. Sometimes it all happens so fast that I've got no idea what I did, but I can usually guarantee that it was my own fault.

are you talking about me??

sigorman85

This was your first crash? Well I will tell you this for free there will be plenty more

Northwind

Rider error/learning experience. You might want to randomly change something anyway though, just blame a bit at random

(a mate of mine crashed his motorbike and totally fell out with it, it was riding funny, probably bent, couldn't trust it... So he dropped it off at mine for a couple of weeks. I gave it a clean and gave it back. Thanks for fixing all that stuff that was wrong with it, it's a new bike!)

Chunkers1980

You're just a placebo cleaning b!tch.

VWsurfbum

the guys were telling me about a guy yesterday at cannock, On one of the climbs he slipped off his pedals and it cut his calf, he started a proper hissy fit and ghosted his bike into the tree :shock: he was proper shouting at his bike as if it was its fault he slipped off his pedals.

Northwind

Chunkers1980 wrote:

You're just a placebo cleaning b!tch.

It wasn't even a very good clean.

ilovedirt

How do you slip a pedal on a climb?

VWsurfbum

ilovedirt wrote:

How do you slip a pedal on a climb?

No idea, it was flats on a Orange 5 as well
it was on the short zig zag climbs before the look out

YeehaaMcgee

VWsurfbum wrote:

the guys were telling me about a guy yesterday at cannock, On one of the climbs he slipped off his pedals and it cut his calf, he started a proper hissy fit and ghosted his bike into the tree :shock: he was proper shouting at his bike as if it was its fault he slipped off his pedals.

I've seen people do stupid stuff when they're dehydrated or running seriously low on energy. It's quite funny in the mountains in the Alps, everyone gets cranky at some point. It's much harder to spot yourself doing it though.

Northwind's, on the other hand, is just a dirty placebo pusher. I bet he stand outside schools selling tic tacs to teenage ravers.

Northwind

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

I bet he stand outside schools selling tic tacs to teenage ravers.

I do not. But, I might start, it sounds like a pretty good business model.

YeehaaMcgee

The funny thing is, Tic tacs are more expensive than what we used to pay for our, erm. Urban medication. Back in the days of college, like.

paul.skibum

ilovedirt wrote:

How do you slip a pedal on a climb?

Tyre slips out, weight goes forward, next pedal stroke already in motion, foot slips off pedal - that's never happened to you before? Really?

Northwind

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

The funny thing is, Tic tacs are more expensive than what we used to pay for our, erm. Urban medication. Back in the days of college, like.

Maybe you should have repackaged it and sold it as tic tacs.

ilovedirt

paul.skibum wrote:

ilovedirt wrote:

How do you slip a pedal on a climb?

Tyre slips out, weight goes forward, next pedal stroke already in motion, foot slips off pedal - that's never happened to you before? Really?

I use clips.

Literally have no idea why people still use flats for XC.

YeehaaMcgee

Clip(less) on a tough climb... You suddenly lose traction on the rear wheel whilst the bike slides sideways under you. Hello ground, meet Mr knee.
Been there, done that.

bails87

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

Clip(less) on a tough climb... You suddenly lose traction on the rear wheel whilst the bike slides sideways under you. Hello ground, meet Mr knee.
Been there, done that.

Just set the clipless pedals so loose that they don't actually hold the cleats, then you can put your foot down.

Obvious!

ilovedirt

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

Clip(less) on a tough climb... You suddenly lose traction on the rear wheel whilst the bike slides sideways under you. Hello ground, meet Mr knee.
Been there, done that.

Haha, not been there either, usually manage to get my foot down in time. Not been far off, mind.

rockmonkeysc

It's a preferance thing. I like spd's for xc & downhill, some people like spd's for xc & flats for downhill some like flats for both & I even know one person who likes spd's for downhill and flats for xc.
Toe clips have no place on a mountain bike though.

YeehaaMcgee

RockmonkeySC wrote:

It's a preferance thing. I like spd's for xc & downhill, some people like spd's for xc & flats for downhill some like flats for both & I even know one person who likes spd's for downhill and flats for xc.

Toe clips have no place anywhere.