Chain Slipping under load

Gazlar
Gazlar Posts: 8,084
edited August 2012 in MTB workshop & tech
Since I built up Amy (GT Force Carbon) it has increasingly develpoed a realy bad chain slip when under load for technical climbs and when losing traction whilst pedalling hard. so far I have indexed, re indexed and checked all the cable routing and tension and thats fine, cleaned the gear lines, the mechs are straight and running true and there is no play in the cassette. the chain is short enough with the mech at about half past four when in the largest gear combination

Im running a double and bash up front with a superstar double chain device and 9 speed at the rear. the cassette, chain were both brand new and the chain rings half a dozen rides old

All I can think of now is tightening the pivot bearings to try and eliminate any side to side play in the swing arm when I pedal hard, but is there anything else that anyone can think of.

The gears are perfectly indexed when on a stand or pedalled lightly, it is just under heavy load

Ta Dudes
Mountain biking is like sex.......more fun when someone else is getting hurt
Amy
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Zapp

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  • Chunkers1980
    Chunkers1980 Posts: 8,035
    Defo sounds like a flex issue.

    Check it's all tight. What axel do you have on it?
  • cooldad
    cooldad Posts: 32,599
    I recommend one of these - could be you spade is catching something.
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    the hub is a?

    where is it slipping? front or rear?

    yes i know it can be hard to see and keep your nuts but you have to have an idea to fix the issue.
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  • Gazlar
    Gazlar Posts: 8,084
    Defo sounds like a flex issue.

    Check it's all tight. What axel do you have on it?

    Its a 12mm x 135 maxle, thats all tight, checked theres no play in the cassette as that had worked loose initially (well the superstar axle conversion kit had meaning the cassette had developed play)

    Nicklouse, do you think I carry a spade when I ride, do you know how heavy those things are? I would if i could get a titanium one mind ;)
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    Amy
    Farnsworth
    Zapp
  • .blitz
    .blitz Posts: 6,197
    Cassette

    My mate's Bokor visibly flexes on technical climbs (he's 19 stone on a good day) but the chain only slips when the cassette is worn.
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    Gazlar wrote:
    Defo sounds like a flex issue.

    Check it's all tight. What axel do you have on it?

    Its a 12mm x 135 maxle, thats all tight, checked theres no play in the cassette as that had worked loose initially (well the superstar axle conversion kit had meaning the cassette had developed play)

    Nicklouse, do you think I carry a spade when I ride, do you know how heavy those things are? I would if i could get a titanium one mind ;)

    the spade has nothing to do with me.

    again
    nicklouse wrote:
    the hub is a?

    where is it slipping? front or rear?

    yes i know it can be hard to see and keep your nuts but you have to have an idea to fix the issue.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • Gazlar
    Gazlar Posts: 8,084
    edited August 2012
    Cassette is now a grand total of half a dozen rides old and not worn at all.

    Sorry Nick, read this last night on my phone so I'll remove spade credit. Its definately slipping at the back, the hub is a superstar switch
    Mountain biking is like sex.......more fun when someone else is getting hurt
    Amy
    Farnsworth
    Zapp
  • Chunkers1980
    Chunkers1980 Posts: 8,035
    Can you change the axle back to QR and see what happens then?
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    Gazlar wrote:
    Cassette is now a grand total of half a dozen rides old and not worn at all.

    Sorry Nick, read this last night on my phone so I'll remove spade credit. Its definitely slipping at the back, the hub is a superstar switch
    so is the chain slipping or is it the pawls?
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  • Gazlar
    Gazlar Posts: 8,084
    Not really, I've not got another bike to put the wheel on and to change it on this one would mean spending 40 quid on new dropouts. think I'll strip the freehub though and make sure everything Is in order there, cheers guys
    Mountain biking is like sex.......more fun when someone else is getting hurt
    Amy
    Farnsworth
    Zapp
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    Gazlar wrote:
    Not really, I've not got another bike to put the wheel on and to change it on this one would mean spending 40 quid on new dropouts. think I'll strip the freehub though and make sure everything Is in order there, cheers guys
    make sure there is not too much gease. only needs a little and some oil.
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  • bails87
    bails87 Posts: 12,998
    Gaz: Are you sure it's slipping?

    I thought it was changing gear? The chain was moving sideways across the cassette when you were pedalling hard wasn't it?
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  • Gazlar
    Gazlar Posts: 8,084
    Thought so, but the freehand did ping out the pawls when I converted the axle, and the axle worked a little loose on the kaiser challenge so doesn't hurt to belt and braces it and give that a looking over too
    Mountain biking is like sex.......more fun when someone else is getting hurt
    Amy
    Farnsworth
    Zapp
  • This was happening to mine - indexed everything so that it ran up and down the cassette smoothly whilst on the workstand and changed cassette and chain thinking they might be worn.

    It ended up being the bearings in my Hope Pro II hub. The cassette was able to wobble if you held it on both sides and pushed/pulled. This meant that when there was no pressure it ran fine but as soon as there was force it pulled the cassette out of line and the chain jumped.

    Changed the bearings (or more accurately the LBS changed the bearings) and its running beautifully.

    This was doing my nut in for weeks! Hope this helps...
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