Religion....

baldwin471

NickintheLakes wrote:

mfin wrote:

There was a great letter in Viz magazine:

Dear Viz,

A mother who's daughter was injured in a US Tornado has been quoted as saying "God will make her better". Presumably that is a different God from the one that almost killed her with a Tornado.

Similar to Patrice Muamba who was convinced that his god helped him to survive.

Not the same god that put him on the deck in the first place I guess.

Those of faith - selective!

Yep, very. LIke When sports people say "I prayed we'd win and God answered my prayers". Oh did he? He had to help out the multi millionaire score the final penalty, but all the children praying for food and that their parents don't die in African nations have their prayers unanswered. Very stupid.

mfin

baldwin471 wrote:

NickintheLakes wrote:

mfin wrote:

There was a great letter in Viz magazine:

Dear Viz,

A mother who's daughter was injured in a US Tornado has been quoted as saying "God will make her better". Presumably that is a different God from the one that almost killed her with a Tornado.

Similar to Patrice Muamba who was convinced that his god helped him to survive.

Not the same god that put him on the deck in the first place I guess.

Those of faith - selective!

Yep, very. LIke When sports people say "I prayed we'd win and God answered my prayers". Oh did he? He had to help out the multi millionaire score the final penalty, but all the children praying for food and that their parents don't die in African nations have their prayers unanswered. Very stupid.

And if he did help the goalscorer not the starving kids then I doubt many people would be able to argue against the fact that he'd be a pretty souless nasty bastard.

baldwin471

mfin wrote:

baldwin471 wrote:

NickintheLakes wrote:

mfin wrote:

There was a great letter in Viz magazine:

Dear Viz,

A mother who's daughter was injured in a US Tornado has been quoted as saying "God will make her better". Presumably that is a different God from the one that almost killed her with a Tornado.

Similar to Patrice Muamba who was convinced that his god helped him to survive.

Not the same god that put him on the deck in the first place I guess.

Those of faith - selective!

Yep, very. LIke When sports people say "I prayed we'd win and God answered my prayers". Oh did he? He had to help out the multi millionaire score the final penalty, but all the children praying for food and that their parents don't die in African nations have their prayers unanswered. Very stupid.

And if he did help the goalscorer not the starving kids then I doubt many people would be able to argue against the fact that he'd be a pretty souless nasty bastard.

Exactly. But WORSHIP HIM because he loves you remember

pinno

Okay, Russell had the theory of the chocolate teapot. Forgive my factual discrepancies as I am suffering sleep depravation due to the new arrival.
Aside from that, reading some arguments here, I am going to throw some petrol on the fire and offer an idea put forward by PD James.
The masses, in the Platonic sense, have become lost since the demise of morality based on Christian principles. If you look at the rise in crime and the nature of it, would it not be better if the 'non-thinking' (for want of a better expression) sector of society still 'believed' ? I am not saying all religious people are unthinking, dont get me wrong. I have enjoyed some of what the Archbishop of Canterbruy Dr Wiiliams has said about society and politics in his current term for example.
Humanity has yet to evolve a system of morality based on humanity and the environment. Our judicial system is still deeply entrenched in the virtues of God for example. We have not evolved to be sophisticated enough to escape the clutches of morality based on a deity.

On another track - it is cosmological herecy to believe in anything but the big bang theory. American Universities who explore theories of the Universe not based on the Big Bang Theory don't get as much funding. So in science, there is an ironical form of religion in play. But of course if you are American, a beggining and an end fits perfeclty with Christian theology. So even science is often tainted by mainstream religion.

Finally, Bhuddism is the most benign of the 'religions' and I have nothing but respect for them. I like Campag and Carbon Fibre too much to be one !

pinno

Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wide as false,
and by the rulers as useful'
[Seneca the Younger]

p9uma

I don't know what's dafter, people worshiping or following a deity, or people discussing wether a certain deity exists. I have a good freind who wanted to become a Freemason, part of their joining requirements are that you have to have a faith, believe in a god. As an atheist, in his logic he got round it by telling himself he was a a god, and that he believed in himself. When I challenged him in this, he said that no one in the world could prove that he was not a god. For him, job done!

Dont waste your time with it, non beleivers, you ain't going to reason with those of faith, and those of faith, you do not have the evidence that non believers need. So don't bother, go and ride your bikes in the sunshine.

baldwin471

pinarello001 wrote:

Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wide as false,
and by the rulers as useful'
[Seneca the Younger]

Wise* haha. I actually have this quote tattoo'd on my back. Congrats on the new arrival mate. The dog is enough hassle for me aha

Welsh_Wizard

Best thread on this site. Fact.

MattC59

baldwin471 wrote:

, like i said. Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed, faith is the DENIAL of observation so that belief can be preserved.

Actually, it was like I said, and all you've done is misquote what I posted, which is a quote of Tim Minchin.

baldwin471

MattC59 wrote:

baldwin471 wrote:

, like i said. Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed, faith is the DENIAL of observation so that belief can be preserved.

Actually, it was like I said, and all you've done is misquote what I posted, which is a quote of Tim Minchin.

I didn't even respond to your post mate? And yes it is indeed a Minchin quote, and a quite poetic one at that.

laurentian

pinarello001 wrote:

Finally, Bhuddism is the most benign of the 'religions' and I have nothing but respect for them . . .

FWIW Bhuddism is not a religion.

dylanfernley

Cleat must be laughing his todger off at this thread :P

pinno

MattC59 wrote:

baldwin471 wrote:

, like i said. Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed, faith is the DENIAL of observation so that belief can be preserved.

Actually, it was like I said, and all you've done is misquote what I posted, which is a quote of Tim Minchin.

Just like you said MattC59:

Observation is what is adjusting science and belief is denied observation of faith !!

Cleat Eastwood

Thing I don't like are closed systems that claim their 'belief' is a truth. Both 'science' and religion are equally as bad imo- from the scientific belief that babies coudl be x-rayed in the womb (leading to a rise in child cancer) - to the belief that 'religion' justified this

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.ph ... tor/17566/

byke68

"I'm not a slave/to a god that doesn't exist"

Cleat Eastwood

dylanfernley

Cleat, as funny as that cartoon is , the real power lies in the economic system, religion has and is used to give legitimacy to the underlying economic interests, so while the shop window may display some dream merchandise, in the back room things look entirely different

Yellow Peril

dylanfernley wrote:

Cleat, as funny as that cartoon is , the real power lies in the economic system, religion has and is used to give legitimacy to the underlying economic interests, so while the shop window may display some dream merchandise, in the back room things look entirely different

That's Ladyboy talk!

Crapaud

Yellow Peril wrote:

dylanfernley wrote:

Cleat, as funny as that cartoon is , the real power lies in the economic system, religion has and is used to give legitimacy to the underlying economic interests, so while the shop window may display some dream merchandise, in the back room things look entirely different

That's Ladyboy talk!

I just snorted hot tea out my nose. My lawyer'll be in touch.

pinno

There you go: The observation of the preservation of denial is the belief that can adjust science