Olympic XC

ddraver
ddraver Posts: 26,695
edited August 2012 in Pro race
Great ride by Bresset - destroyed in true Frenchie TRUE CHAMPION style!

Was very impressed by t course after all t bitching about it!

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Ah damn I missesd it. Was hoping to watch tbh, will have to catch up later.

    How did it pan out?

    What channel is mens on?
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  • slimreaper
    slimreaper Posts: 738
    Men's is tomorrow on BBC Olympic 6. About lunch time
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Thanks.
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  • ddraver wrote:

    Was very impressed by t course after all t bitching about it!

    really? although havnt mtb'd much or raced or watch many races since about 97 thought it was a procession (came in after 45 mins). havent ever been enthralled by an olympic mtb race
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Do normal MTB races usually have more overtaking? Seemed like a done-deal once the French lady got in front.

    Edit: This was the first MTB race I've watched, but now it's easy to see where Cadel got his riding style from.
  • Tom BB
    Tom BB Posts: 1,001
    Nope, in my experience afx xc races are pretty much like TT's so people will find their pace and ride constantly at that.....after say the first 10 minutes when some people go off really fast and then get overtaken etc I'd say that most riders will onlygain/lose 2/3 places max barring mechanical.

    XC is a real buzz to race, but dull as to watch.
  • Ringo 68
    Ringo 68 Posts: 441
    I must admit I thought it was a great race to watch, being my first ever mtb race.

    Kind of makes me want to go out and but a mtb as we have some nice trails pretty local to me.

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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Tom BB wrote:
    Nope, in my experience afx xc races are pretty much like TT's so people will find their pace and ride constantly at that.....after say the first 10 minutes when some people go off really fast and then get overtaken etc I'd say that most riders will onlygain/lose 2/3 places max barring mechanical.

    XC is a real buzz to race, but dull as to watch.

    Fair enough, I enjoyed watching it anyway, even though (as you say) it looked more like a TT than a mass start race.
  • PuttyKnees
    PuttyKnees Posts: 381
    Clearly the French are cheating. Did anyone check Bresset's wheels?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    afx237vi wrote:
    Do normal MTB races usually have more overtaking? Seemed like a done-deal once the French lady got in front.

    Edit: This was the first MTB race I've watched, but now it's easy to see where Cadel got his riding style from.

    It was dull in the same way P-R or TdF was dull This year, one rider git ahead and no one else could/did challenge...hopefully the men's might be a bit more even tomorrow. Fair play to said rider though!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,651
    The production was at least excellent, super slow hd definitely works for shots of riders dropping off rocks (contrast to people going round a corner in the RR).

    Can't say the actual racing was enthralling though. Maybe a few more technical sections would have livened it up. Didn't see anyone taking different/more aggressive lines anywhere.

    First time I've watched it and was pleased I did, impressed with the skills, but I'd want a bit more out of it as a competition. It might actually work better as a TT.
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    There wasn’t much overtaking because there were only 30 participants, not all of whom finished. If you have a race with 300, which happens sometimes at amateur level, then it’s a different matter, especially if there is wet weather and resultant deep mud, or 1-2 very steep climbs (with loose rock surfaces) on the circuit, or more more-technical downhill sections – 40 degree slopes or jumps or extremely windy stretches - or simply long downhills. Like on the road, MTB riders have differing descending abilities. Even on flattish stretches, projecting tree roots can break up a field.

    I thought the course today fairly tame compared to what it could have included, when they are supposed to be the best, it just had a couple of awkward rocky stretches (albeit one pretty awkward). And much of the surfacing was really too smooth, you could have got by on a cross-bike. Perhaps the steep uphills were steeper than they looked.

    TomBB said some people go off fast and then tire, but occasionally there is also a reason to go off fast - some MTB race routes have very narrow stretches 100-200 m long which don’t allow overtaking and it’s good to be ahead of groups before reaching those stretches, or else you’re blocked in (only about 20-25 m like that today as far as I could see). Same if it’s known there will be lengthy muddy or technical stretches, where someone falling in front can hold you up.
    I think there was a degree of going off fast today too, as riders wanted to get first to the awkward rocky downhill stretch, knowing any mishap could delay them – as then later happened to Gould when Spitz slipped. The TV coverage dwelt too much on the leaders to see if such happened much farther back in the field.

    I think cross-MTB and running as in a X-duathlon work well, because unlike a duathlon on the road or a triathlon, you don’t get much drafting at all, because a good technical MTB route rarely allows it to develop. Then the winner isn’t always also the best runner.
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Mens is on at 1.25 today.

    I saw the CW Games races in person and I was disappointed just because the field was tiny. If you can get along to any National Series race its far more exciting just because the fields are bigger - much better for spectators. This course looked pretty good though.
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    Looking forward to Forstemann putting in a solid 200 metres.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    thegibdog wrote:
    Looking forward to Forstemann putting in a solid 200 metres.

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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Forstermann a DNS! Surprise.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    thegibdog wrote:
    Looking forward to Forstemann putting in a solid 200 metres.

    DNS
    A farce.
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    DeadCalm wrote:
    thegibdog wrote:
    Looking forward to Forstemann putting in a solid 200 metres.
    DNS
    A farce.
    To be fair it may have involved him walking to the start which is clearly a struggle for him.
  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    BBC commentators reporting on a puncture from a certain Sven Nys from Belgium, without even a mention that he has done some cyclo-cross..
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Boardman doing some good selling of the/his bikes...
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    Boardman doing some good selling of the/his bikes...
    I'm sure the guy I saw the other day wheeling a Boardman MTB with a snapped frame will be glad to hear it!
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,197
    FJS wrote:
    BBC commentators reporting on a puncture from a certain Sven Nys from Belgium, without even a mention that he has done some cyclo-cross..

    I was surprised when they mentioned his name - didn't know he was entered. Saying that, I know some critics have called the Hadleigh Farm course a glorified CX course... ;)
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Yeah, he switched after the end of the CX, did the bear minimum to qualify...
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,695
    Men's race is definitely better than the womens this year.

    Laaste Rondje, Fontana has to attack!
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  • PuttyKnees
    PuttyKnees Posts: 381
    XC sucks. Oh wait. Great race!
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    Fontana 3rd with no saddle for nearly half a lap ... As FF would say ... HEAVYWEIGHT ...
  • alan_a
    alan_a Posts: 1,587
    Fontana's saddle fell off with about 2km to go. He was in touch with the top 2 at the time, but sadly this meant he slipped back. Excellent ride to finish 3rd considering the mechanical.

    Really exciting finish.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Who came 1st/2nd?
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  • PuttyKnees
    PuttyKnees Posts: 381
    Ahh I wondered if he had a mechanical when he came through the pits sitting down low.
  • PuttyKnees
    PuttyKnees Posts: 381
    Kulhavy first, Schurter second.