Titanium v Carbon.........

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  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Tifoso wrote:
    Monty Dog wrote:
    Spin Titanium = Titan Product, Xiamen, China for $900

    Just out of interest, how do you know this? could you elaborate at all?

    I've personally met the MD of Spin, he has shown me first hand a frame from Xian and a frame from his facilities, He owns three Ti plants, with only one being in China.

    The difference between the xian frame and spin was huge, especially on the welding and the engraving details

    tomissit: your bike looks great, did you order online or did you speak to them?

    Titan Product is not Xi'an Titanium.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    Ok, my aplogies, but how do you know that this frame is titan? Have you spoken to the spin guys? or are you just looking at other things on the internet and making your own decision?

    I know how much small companies rely on decent word of mouth, even on the internet. I will say I've ordered a MKIII frame from them after a long chat with a young chap up at Spin who sent me out on a bike to ride and made sure everything I asked for was taken care of.

    They work really hard to do what they do, my frame is having custom decals and I've already had a set of their handbuilt carbon wheels too.

    Just want people to see the other side before deciding something is rubbish.
  • Bozman
    Bozman Posts: 2,518
    It's not titanium or carbon but it''s something different - Mercian, Derby.
  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Tifoso wrote:
    ... my frame is having custom decals...

    Steady on, I have seen a thread along those lines in these parts. Folks will demand proof you know :wink:
  • napoleond
    napoleond Posts: 5,992
    Tifoso wrote:
    Ok, my aplogies, but how do you know that this frame is titan? Have you spoken to the spin guys? or are you just looking at other things on the internet and making your own decision?

    Just want people to see the other side before deciding something is rubbish.

    Where did monty dog say it was rubbish? Many many frames are outsourced...
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  • silverpigeon
    silverpigeon Posts: 327
    Why is Ti frame considered a 'for life' purchase and a carbon one not?
    Basso Astra
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  • siamon
    siamon Posts: 274
    silverpigeon wrote:
    Why is Ti frame considered a 'for life' purchase and a carbon one not?

    Cyclists' special logic?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    How about buying the bike that YOU want and NOT what someone else wants you to have or thinks you should have? I'm sure that when you start considering upper end frames that pretty much all of then are very nice, in all aspects of the frame building art. To me it makes sense to buy the one you want based on the color or the brand you want to be seen on. These days buying a bike frame based on manufactureres hype just doesn't seem to make sense(at least for me). Lots of fine frames out there, made with quality materials, be it steel, aluminum, etc. Here's an idea. Be completely different and go with a lugged steel frame and chromed fork instead of one of those cookie cutter carbon fiber or titanium jobs. Be unique.
  • hstiles
    hstiles Posts: 414
    There's also the Kinesis Gran Fondo Ti frameset. Reviews have been very good. You could get the exact frameset, groupset, wheels and finishing kit you wanted and get a local mechanic to build it up. If you're talking a bike for life, then you may as well go a bit wild - SRAM Red, etc...
  • neeb
    neeb Posts: 4,473
    Muscleburn wrote:
    Although the two bikes rode completely different the F4 itself also rode really well, it was compliant, stiff, very easy to push along and like the K19 was surefooted in the bends, was not difficult to push up a hill and again was very surefooted on the descent. Although I loved the bike, somehow it felt ‘dead’ on the road when compared to the Ti frame - difficult to describe but Ti is like nothing else I have ever ridden! The carbon bike felt glued to the road, but there was almost no feedback.
    I know what you mean about the different ride feel of good carbon and good Ti. Don't underestimate the extent to which you adapt over time to a frame however, and how your impressions of the bikes may be being influenced by what you are used to riding at the moment.

    First ride out on my current (pretty stiff) carbon frame I thought it had a slightly dead feel compared to my Ti bike (and also my previous carbon frame), but now I am used to it I love it, and when I go back to the Ti bike it feels vague rather than lively. The problem with test riding bikes is that you adapt to the bike you ride regularly, and you are always comparing anything you test ride against that.

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