Wiggo, you T0sser (and I never thought I'd say that)!

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  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Still not getting this. So, because he's achieved sporting success whilst being in possession of a British passport, no-one can criticize him if he says daft things? What if, hypothetically speaking, he came out in favour of white supremacy?

    As for Twitter, if its okay with you I prefer talking about famous people rather than to them. I suspect the hastily issued "clarification" means he got the message, which is basically "yes Wiggins you're very good at riding a bike really fast, but that doesn't mean you're qualified to weigh in on the helmet debate".
  • Ginjafro
    Ginjafro Posts: 572
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Still not getting this. So, because he's achieved sporting success whilst being in possession of a British passport, no-one can criticize him if he says daft things? What if, hypothetically speaking, he came out in favour of white supremacy?

    As for Twitter, if its okay with you I prefer talking about famous people rather than to them. I suspect the hastily issued "clarification" means he got the message, which is basically "yes Wiggins you're very good at riding a bike really fast, but that doesn't mean you're qualified to weigh in on the helmet debate".

    So you now make a tactical retreat.....The stuff about white supremacy, WTF! You have also made it quite clear you would rather talk behind peoples' backs. Neither, it seems are you prepared to clarify, modify or retract your offensive comment about the Sunshine Bus.

    Anyway I digress, DF33 you need to come out of the shadows, you tossed a grenade and appear to have run away.
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  • P_Tucker
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    I haven't retreated at all. He is guilty of hypocrisy in this instance, which is all I've accused him of. Try to keep up.
  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Still not getting this. So, because he's achieved sporting success whilst being in possession of a British passport, no-one can criticize him if he says daft things? What if, hypothetically speaking, he came out in favour of white supremacy?

    As for Twitter, if its okay with you I prefer talking about famous people rather than to them. I suspect the hastily issued "clarification" means he got the message, which is basically "yes Wiggins you're very good at riding a bike really fast, but that doesn't mean you're qualified to weigh in on the helmet debate".
    But you, of course, are immensely qualified to weigh in on the subject....
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  • fungus_the_muffin_man
    fungus_the_muffin_man Posts: 1,608
    IMO for what it's worth and I'm sure many have echoed the same points already. What makes cyclists think they should be allowed to ride on the roads with out any restrictions like other road users have to go through.

    Lets get rid of road laws and allow drivers to use mobile phones and watch I pads whilst driving, get rid of the seatbelt law, get rid of the drink driving law In fact lets get rid of the lot. Then it won't matter if you wear a helmet or not when you get mowed down by a drunk driver trying to text his mates whilst watching a film on his ipad, 'cos you'll be dead.

    It seems to me that people are whingeing because they might have to wear an helmet just so they can be different and quite selfish. Lets face it for the sake of a little bit of foam and plastic you must be selfish to not bother about the effect this could have on your loved ones should you fall off, get hit or whatever. I'm sure they're really looking forward to planning your funeral or looking forward to having to wipe your arse for you for the rest of your life.
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  • MattC59
    MattC59 Posts: 5,408
    Can we have a game of guess who's the tw*t ? Go on, please, best out fo three and your first two guesses don't count !
    (It's not me by the way, or Wiggins !)
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  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    But you, of course, are immensely qualified to weigh in on the subject....

    I'm certainly not - why is why, every single time I've been asked that question in a TV interview I've declined to offer an opinion.
  • mjbennett
    mjbennett Posts: 532
    The problem with making it a legal requirement is that it will reduce cycle use. I always wear a helmet cycling. But if I pop to my mothers - less than 5 minutes away on a very quiet road on my mtb, I might not. To make that a criminal offence is ridiculous and not proportionate to the danger it presents.
    I also tootle along the cul-de-sac where I live with my daughter on the child seat on the back of my mtb. To make me a criminal for going out on my bike with her for 5 minutes is ridiculous.
    I saw about 5 people today tootling on canal toe paths on hybrid bikes without helmets. To make them criminals if they cross the road on their bikes is not right.
    To wear a helmet or not should remain the choice of the rider.
    There are far more risky activities, such as being in a rugby scrum, freediving, or rock scrambling. Is it time to require protective measures on all those?
  • Ginjafro
    Ginjafro Posts: 572
    mjbennett wrote:
    The problem with making it a legal requirement is that it will reduce cycle use. I always wear a helmet cycling. But if I pop to my mothers - less than 5 minutes away on a very quiet road on my mtb, I might not. To make that a criminal offence is ridiculous and not proportionate to the danger it presents.
    I also tootle along the cul-de-sac where I live with my daughter on the child seat on the back of my mtb. To make me a criminal for going out on my bike with her for 5 minutes is ridiculous.
    I saw about 5 people today tootling on canal toe paths on hybrid bikes without helmets. To make them criminals if they cross the road on their bikes is not right.
    To wear a helmet or not should remain the choice of the rider.
    There are far more risky activities, such as being in a rugby scrum, freediving, or rock scrambling. Is it time to require protective measures on all those?

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    I don't give a flying fcuk about whether or not we should wear helmets or what anyone thinks about it. I just do not think it is right for anyone to accuse BW of being a TOsser or hypocrite especially when we should be celebrating his and others achievements right now! Ride yer bike, enjoy the Olympics, get a life....
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  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Does it? I wonder what the family of Wouter Weylandt would say about that. Or the families of DC testers who seem to die on a monthly basis from March to September.

    What evidence is there that a polystrene potty offers the right level of protection? How would we even determine what that right level is?
    Thats a stupid arguiment.
    If you you saw what happened during the race you would have seen that he went face first into the rockface at high speed having looked behind for team mates.
    Anyway if you dont think the polystyrene lids offer protection try this test for me and report back.
    1) put helet on, then hit helmet with hammer.
    2) repeat without helmet.
    :D Interested to know outcome :-)
    Unfortunatelt I have had one or two crashes racing/training and from experience I can say the the high speed crash the helmet made little difference as I was skidding down the road on shoulder and hip.
    However the two lower speed crashes I had, caused bad damage to helmet on left side of head where I fell on sideways.
    Personally I dont care if it is law or not, I wear one but to call someone a tosser for suggesting it actually makes the OP appear more of a Tosser than Wiggo for suggesting it.
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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    But you, of course, are immensely qualified to weigh in on the subject....

    I'm certainly not - why is why, every single time I've been asked that question in a TV interview I've declined to offer an opinion.
    You're certainly spouting enough about it here. And making a right goose of yourself, I might add.
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  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    But you, of course, are immensely qualified to weigh in on the subject....

    I'm certainly not - why is why, every single time I've been asked that question in a TV interview I've declined to offer an opinion.
    You're certainly spouting enough about it here. And making a right goose of yourself, I might add.

    Am I? As far as I can tell all I've done is state that Wiggins in a hypocrite for saying (later retracted) that helmets should be compulsory when there is clear evidence of him letting his son ride sans lid. Other than that, all I've done is play devils advocate to the usual stream of "helmets saved my life" bolleaux
  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    Yes, you are.
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  • Mikey23
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    @ p tucker. I work with kids and young adults with learning difficulties and for the record, I found your 'sunshine bus' comment both mystifying and offensive
  • oldwelshman
    oldwelshman Posts: 4,733
    PeakRider91 wrote:
    It's actually been proven to be far more safer to not wear a helmet, cars give you more room and mentally you feel more vulnerable so you don't take as many risks.
    So how does this help if you hit a pot hole and fall off or slip off in the rain? It's utter bollox anyway as they did not test this theory with every driver in the uk. It like the old survey that found 50% of men have gay tendancies !! I dont recal ever being surveyed.
    As I said before, just whack your head with a helemt on and do same without and tell me the difference you feel, then tell me which is safest.
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  • oldwelshman
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    PeakRider91 wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    PeakRider91 wrote:
    It's actually been proven to be far more safer to not wear a helmet, cars give you more room and mentally you feel more vulnerable so you don't take as many risks.
    What happens if you hit a pothole, slip on a greasy bit of bitumen or loose gravel, catch your wheel in a groove in the pavement, whatever, and conk your noggin on the curb? Do you call up the Bureau of Statistics to see if you're okay?

    Personally I would always react and shield my head with my arms. I know where you coming from but it has been scientifically proven that statistically not wearing a helmet is safer.
    I have read some stupid posts on here before but this takes the biscuit. You must have extremely fast reaction time if when your falling off a bike at high speed you can think in time to remove your hand off the bars to put around your head.
    You must be the first, I have seen loads of crashes both on tv and on rides and races and I havent seen anyone manage your unique skill.
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  • DavidJB
    DavidJB Posts: 2,019
    oldwelshman wrote:
    PeakRider91 wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    PeakRider91 wrote:
    It's actually been proven to be far more safer to not wear a helmet, cars give you more room and mentally you feel more vulnerable so you don't take as many risks.
    What happens if you hit a pothole, slip on a greasy bit of bitumen or loose gravel, catch your wheel in a groove in the pavement, whatever, and conk your noggin on the curb? Do you call up the Bureau of Statistics to see if you're okay?

    Personally I would always react and shield my head with my arms. I know where you coming from but it has been scientifically proven that statistically not wearing a helmet is safer.
    I have read some stupid posts on here before but this takes the biscuit. You must have extremely fast reaction time if when your falling off a bike at high speed you can think in time to remove your hand off the bars to put around your head.
    You must be the first, I have seen loads of crashes both on tv and on rides and races and I havent seen anyone manage your unique skill.

    I'd also like to see a link to this white paper that shows it's been 'scientifically proven' haha. What a clown.
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    oldwelshman wrote:
    I have read some stupid posts on here before but this takes the biscuit

    It's not a patch on the guy who celebrated a cyclist assaulting a BMW driver.

    Ooooh, awkward
  • P_Tucker
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    Mikey23 wrote:
    @ p tucker. I work with kids and young adults with learning difficulties and for the record, I found your 'sunshine bus' comment both mystifying and offensive

    Ah well, you'll get over it. You don't have a right not to be offended
  • migrantwing
    migrantwing Posts: 385
    Wear one, or don't wear one. Personal choice. Even if it is made a law that you must wear a helmet, how many motorists still speed or not wear a seatbelt.

    As for Wiggins, yeah, he's good at what he does, extremely good, but I've always thought him to be a bit of a nob. I dunno what it is with him. He has that 'is it confidence or arrogance' type of personality, of which I don't know what it is. I can't really comment as I don't know that much about him or seen that many interviews/footage of him, so I can't really make a judgment, just my first impressions.
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  • Hoopdriver
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    migrantwing wrote:
    Wear one, or don't wear one. Personal choice. Even if it is made a law that you must wear a helmet, how many motorists still speed or not wear a seatbelt.

    As for Wiggins, yeah, he's good at what he does, extremely good, but I've always thought him to be a bit of a nob. I dunno what it is with him. He has that 'is it confidence or arrogance' type of personality, of which I don't know what it is. I can't really comment as I don't know that much about him or seen that many interviews/footage of him, so I can't really make a judgment, just my first impressions.
    And yet you do comment...
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  • Ginjafro
    Ginjafro Posts: 572
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Mikey23 wrote:
    @ p tucker. I work with kids and young adults with learning difficulties and for the record, I found your 'sunshine bus' comment both mystifying and offensive

    Ah well, you'll get over it. You don't have a right not to be offended

    Jeez, you really are small minded little man. I pity you.
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  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Ginjafro wrote:
    P_Tucker wrote:
    Mikey23 wrote:
    @ p tucker. I work with kids and young adults with learning difficulties and for the record, I found your 'sunshine bus' comment both mystifying and offensive

    Ah well, you'll get over it. You don't have a right not to be offended

    Jeez, you really are small minded little man. I pity you.

    Thanks, that really means a lot
  • Defyand
    Defyand Posts: 49
    Why wouldn't you wear a helmet? Please advise.......(sensible answers)
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Defyand wrote:
    Why wouldn't you wear a helmet? Please advise.......(sensible answers)

    For the same reasons you don't wear a helmet when walking down the street.
  • Defyand
    Defyand Posts: 49
    I don't walk down the street at 20mph
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Defyand wrote:
    I don't walk down the street at 20mph

    Most on here don't cycle at 20mph either.
  • Defyand
    Defyand Posts: 49
    (was talking downhill) but cycling is a more risky past time than merely walking or running so better to protect your bonce.
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    edited August 2012
    Is it?
    DfT wrote:
    For 2010 (the most recent full year for which data is provided), the fatailty rate for cyclists was 22 per billion kilometers travelled compared to 23 per billion for pedestrians. The average from 2001 to 2010 showed the cyclist fatailty rate at 28 compared to 35 for pedestrians.

    http://fullfact.org/factchecks/cyclist_ ... pics-27711

    Obv a km takes much longer to walk than to cycle
  • P_Tucker
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    oldwelshman wrote:
    If you you saw what happened during the race you would have seen that he went face first into the rockface at high speed having looked behind for team mates.

    Yes, and a cycle helmet didn't protect him. Would a full face helmet have helped? The actual answer is "who knows", but using the logic commonly associated with pro-helmeters, IT WOULD HAVE SAVED HIS LIFE

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