Institutionalised

dylanfernley

Met some 'tourists' the other day, after some small talk somehow got onto the subject of work, one guy says he's really worried about his job, worked all his life is now 56, and thinks if he loses it will never get another.i try and tell him that you can't see round corners, but he is adamant, turns out he was in the royal navy for twenty years, says he cried when he left and was now in 'civvy' street. I mentioned that due to being institutionalised in the services he was having difficulty adjusting..... he was very offended by this term, i explained it was a term to describe a certain way of living but he would not listen, i even told him that i to had been through this... to no avail.
His companion was by this time trying to show him i meant no offence but he was not listenening to any reasoning, his blood was up and he seemed locked in to defence/offence mode-- felt sorry for the guy, he seemed genuine but was still very much institutionalised.......

buddha

dylanfernley wrote:

... but he is Adam Ant....

Didn't know he was a sailor boy
IGMC

cycologist

Classic case of (a ) institutionalisation, and (b) a word or phrase taking on a different connotation from it's original or true meaning. The guy probably believes that institutionalisation only refers to outmoded "old peoples homes" where the residents sit in "their chairs" watching TV all day and are rounded up and fed at strict times and the whole place is organised for staff convenience. Alternatively, he may few ex prisoners as being institutionalised having been subjugated by years of strict order and all decisions being effectively made for them by others. The armed forces are classic examples of regimes wherein its personnel are deliberately and routinely institutionalised. ("regimented")I

institutionalisation has become a derogatory term as people, and particularly the media, have used it to denote very negative negative images.

Personally, I am just breaking out of self-induced institutionalisation whereby I am no longer riding the same routes,at the same times, to the same pubs, to meet the same people, to drink the same beer and talk about the same things etc etc. No it's new rides to new pubs for me in the future.

snoopsmydogg

cycologist wrote:

Personally, I am just breaking out of self-induced institutionalisation whereby I am no longer riding the same routes,at the same times, to the same pubs, to meet the same people, to drink the same beer and talk about the same things etc etc. No it's new rides to new pubs for me in the future.

That sounds more like an OCD than institutionalised

daviesee

One of my stepsons is in the Navy and thinking of leaving.
In preparation for this he has prepared his C.V.
He asked me to give it a once over and once I had, I could only comment that it looked good but a lot of his phrases and terms while very important and meaningful in the Navy, meant very little on civvie street. I suggested rewording most of the paragraphs.
It still isn't sinking in...............
Leave school and know little else for 15 years. I would think that is a form of institutionalisation( :?: ).

dw300

daviesee wrote:

One of my stepsons is in the Navy and thinking of leaving.
In preparation for this he has prepared his C.V.
He asked me to give it a once over and once I had, I could only comment that it looked good but a lot of his phrases and terms while very important and meaningful in the Navy, meant very little on civvie street. I suggested rewording most of the paragraphs.
It still isn't sinking in...............
Leave school and know little else for 15 years. I would think that is a form of institutionalisation( :?: ).

MattC59

Institutionalised or just a pr*ck ?

I had a mate who spent a long time in the RAF, nice guy whilst he was in the RAF, complete pr*ck now. He couldn't manage without someone organising his life for him. He's getting better, it's about 7years since he left the RAF, but turns out he's still a bit of a pr*ck.

dylanfernley

mattc59-- your 'mate'-- is a he a bit /or a complete pr*ck now, as in your post it seems a bit unclear, not that it makes much difference-- i supppose one is soft, the other a bit hard?

taff..

daviesee wrote:

One of my stepsons is in the Navy and thinking of leaving.
In preparation for this he has prepared his C.V.
He asked me to give it a once over and once I had, I could only comment that it looked good but a lot of his phrases and terms while very important and meaningful in the Navy, meant very little on civvie street. I suggested rewording most of the paragraphs.
It still isn't sinking in...............
Leave school and know little else for 15 years. I would think that is a form of institutionalisation( :?: ).

that's just a case of 'Jack' having his own language - Jackspeak.

I've just written my CV after 20 years in the RN and it is REALLY difficult to put on paper what I've actually been doing and what I've been responsible for in a language that civvy's understand. has your stepson actually put his notice in yet? has he done the CTW? if not, he'll learn all about CV's there.

daviesee

taff.. wrote:

I've just written my CV after 20 years in the RN and it is REALLY difficult to put on paper what I've actually been doing and what I've been responsible for in a language that civvy's understand. has your stepson actually put his notice in yet? has he done the CTW? if not, he'll learn all about CV's there.

No. He is just getting a bit fed up, considering his options and being prepared.
I think he will find it an adjustment in civvy street, especially people simply just not doing as they are told (ordered) but jackspeak probably sums up his main initial hurdle.

taff..

when he does make his mind up and put his notice in the resettlement system will kick in and he'll have advisors on hand at his baseport to help him with this sort of stuff.

Gizmo_

taff.. wrote:

daviesee wrote:

One of my stepsons is in the Navy and thinking of leaving.
In preparation for this he has prepared his C.V.
He asked me to give it a once over and once I had, I could only comment that it looked good but a lot of his phrases and terms while very important and meaningful in the Navy, meant very little on civvie street. I suggested rewording most of the paragraphs.
It still isn't sinking in...............
Leave school and know little else for 15 years. I would think that is a form of institutionalisation( :?: ).

that's just a case of 'Jack' having his own language - Jackspeak.

I've just written my CV after 20 years in the RN and it is REALLY difficult to put on paper what I've actually been doing and what I've been responsible for in a language that civvy's understand. has your stepson actually put his notice in yet? has he done the CTW? if not, he'll learn all about CV's there.

To be fair, I think that's the same in any organisation.

Always think it's funny how the terminology for things in my OH's workplace (large government department) is different to what we use in mine (large technology company) - but it refers to exactly the same activities.

pauldavid

dylanfernley wrote:

Met some 'tourists' the other day, after some small talk somehow got onto the subject of work, one guy says he's really worried about his job, worked all his life is now 56, and thinks if he loses it will never get another.i try and tell him that you can't see round corners, but he is adamant, turns out he was in the royal navy for twenty years, says he cried when he left and was now in 'civvy' street. I mentioned that due to being institutionalised in the services he was having difficulty adjusting..... he was very offended by this term, i explained it was a term to describe a certain way of living but he would not listen, i even told him that i to had been through this... to no avail.
His companion was by this time trying to show him i meant no offence but he was not listenening to any reasoning, his blood was up and he seemed locked in to defence/offence mode-- felt sorry for the guy, he seemed genuine but was still very much institutionalised.......

I'm not surprised he was offended.

He didn't seem to ask for an amateur psyche report.

Possibly keep your opinions to yourself and let the man come to his own conclusions when ready.

Pross

pauldavid wrote:

dylanfernley wrote:

Met some 'tourists' the other day, after some small talk somehow got onto the subject of work, one guy says he's really worried about his job, worked all his life is now 56, and thinks if he loses it will never get another.i try and tell him that you can't see round corners, but he is adamant, turns out he was in the royal navy for twenty years, says he cried when he left and was now in 'civvy' street. I mentioned that due to being institutionalised in the services he was having difficulty adjusting..... he was very offended by this term, i explained it was a term to describe a certain way of living but he would not listen, i even told him that i to had been through this... to no avail.
His companion was by this time trying to show him i meant no offence but he was not listenening to any reasoning, his blood was up and he seemed locked in to defence/offence mode-- felt sorry for the guy, he seemed genuine but was still very much institutionalised.......

I'm not surprised he was offended.

He didn't seem to ask for an amateur psyche report.

Possibly keep your opinions to yourself and let the man come to his own conclusions when ready.

+1

dylanfernley

I was being sympathetic, as someone who was also institutionalised i do have experience of the problems adjusting to so called 'normal' society--- make of that what you will, got to be a smartarse take somewhere :roll:

Cleat Eastwood

pauldavid wrote:

dylanfernley wrote:

Met some 'tourists' the other day, after some small talk somehow got onto the subject of work, one guy says he's really worried about his job, worked all his life is now 56, and thinks if he loses it will never get another.i try and tell him that you can't see round corners, but he is adamant, turns out he was in the royal navy for twenty years, says he cried when he left and was now in 'civvy' street. I mentioned that due to being institutionalised in the services he was having difficulty adjusting..... he was very offended by this term, i explained it was a term to describe a certain way of living but he would not listen, i even told him that i to had been through this... to no avail.
His companion was by this time trying to show him i meant no offence but he was not listenening to any reasoning, his blood was up and he seemed locked in to defence/offence mode-- felt sorry for the guy, he seemed genuine but was still very much institutionalised.......

I'm not surprised he was offended.

He didn't seem to ask for an amateur psyche report.

Possibly keep your opinions to yourself and let the man come to his own conclusions when ready.

Why? Free country, freedoms he possibly defended on the front line. Anyway if some one cries because they leave a job, and get upset at a word that even the military recognise is a problem amongst it's staff then I reckon you don't need to be a psychologist to see the guy is seriously fucked up and sometimes the only way to get through to people like that is straight talking. The fact that he felt he could talk about stuff with a stranger should tell you that he was looking for answers. Not psychology, just a basic human understanding of people and their troubles. Just my opinion of course if i'm allowed to express it, that is. Have a light bulb :idea: