Do you guys agree??

sirdjango
sirdjango Posts: 123
edited July 2012 in Road general
I found this video on youtube :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLLJr0RChDg

agree with some of his points, but not when he talked about pedals and rims though...
ride like the wind... with the wind... to the wind...

Comments

  • t.m.h.n.e.t
    t.m.h.n.e.t Posts: 2,265
    He really didn't say anything wrong. I disagree that spdsl pedals are just for racers but that's about it.
  • BillyMansell
    BillyMansell Posts: 817
    Good for him. Everyone's entitled to an opinion even if it's wrong :D .

    Some sense spoken but a fair bit of small-minded carp. The problem with recording such absolute and indefatigable beliefs is that next week, next month or next year things will change and he'll have to reassess his thinking but he'll be just as fervent about a new set of beliefs.

    I loved the contradiction of the huge stack of headset spacers with a 17º downward facing stem on top. That's an accident waiting to happen if ever I saw one.
  • calmx5
    calmx5 Posts: 230
    A little harsh, I just find the way he says bwiike fit, a little annoying after 10 minutes. And his theory about spdsl pedals is wrong
  • sirdjango
    sirdjango Posts: 123
    can you guys comment on his other video, about bike weight... truly enough at some point...
    ride like the wind... with the wind... to the wind...
  • ineedalager
    ineedalager Posts: 374
    The is a lot of truth in what he says. I agree about SPD pedals the cleats last for ever some of mine are 4 years old! Say that about plastic SPD SL or Look Deltas look like crap in 5 mins. They don't make you any faster either.

    I have a Spesh Allez ali frame bike and I just built a carbon framed bike (4lbs lighter) I wouldn't say I'm any faster on the carbon frame bike amd the first crash it will probably be trashed! Compared to the Allez might lose some paint!

    I glad I only Paid £275 for my Chinese carbon frame when it's trashed I can buy another!
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    I have a Spesh Allez ali frame bike and I just built a carbon framed bike (4lbs lighter) I wouldn't say I'm any faster on the carbon frame bike amd the first crash it will probably be trashed! Compared to the Allez might lose some paint!

    What gives you the (very mistaken) belief that your alloy bike will cope with a crash better than the carbon one?

    And why do you expect to trash your frame anyway? I'm hoping my Look will see me out. And I'm not 97 already!
    Faster than a tent.......
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    I have a Spesh Allez ali frame bike and I just built a carbon framed bike (4lbs lighter) I wouldn't say I'm any faster on the carbon frame bike amd the first crash it will probably be trashed! Compared to the Allez might lose some paint!

    whack your aluminium frame with a hammer then do the same with your cheap carbon- see which damages more!
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • DavidJB
    DavidJB Posts: 2,019
    The is a lot of truth in what he says. I agree about SPD pedals the cleats last for ever some of mine are 4 years old! Say that about plastic SPD SL or Look Deltas look like crap in 5 mins. They don't make you any faster either.

    I have a Spesh Allez ali frame bike and I just built a carbon framed bike (4lbs lighter) I wouldn't say I'm any faster on the carbon frame bike amd the first crash it will probably be trashed! Compared to the Allez might lose some paint!

    I glad I only Paid £275 for my Chinese carbon frame when it's trashed I can buy another!

    I've crashed my carbon bike 3 times and its fine. (racing ;))
  • schlepcycling
    schlepcycling Posts: 1,614
    Gave up watching after about 5 minutes or so. Some of the stuff he said is true, good bike fit is essential and what to carry spare tube, tyres levers etc but the rest is utter and complete cobblers. Road shoes are not sh*t and carbon bikes do not 'break all the time' he just doesn't like road shoes and carbon bikes, if they did 'break all the time' no one would buy them.
    'Hello to Jason Isaacs'
  • ineedalager
    ineedalager Posts: 374
    Looks like I've stirred up a hornets nest. You guys go on and rant all you like! The Ali frame will out last the carbon one hands down!

    It's really not worth any effort to even bother trying to explain when your posts are so hostile

    I still agree with the guy!
  • ...The Ali frame will out last the carbon one hands down!
    ....

    Under what circumstances? If they're both ridden within their parameters they'll both last forever. To be honest if either an ali or carbon frame cracks you're screwed as people who can weld aluminium alloy are extremely thin on the ground, assuming it can be welded.
  • BillyMansell
    BillyMansell Posts: 817
    Looks like I've stirred up a hornets nest. You guys go on and rant all you like! The Ali frame will out last the carbon one hands down!

    You haven't stirred up a hornets nest it's just that we hear such unqualified, crass stupidity far too often on this subject. Provide some real evidence from comparative situations or tests, therefore that excludes you saying 'ali is better because I say so', then we can have a proper discussion.
  • ineedalager
    ineedalager Posts: 374
    Looks like I've stirred up a hornets nest. You guys go on and rant all you like! The Ali frame will out last the carbon one hands down!

    You haven't stirred up a hornets nest it's just that we hear such unqualified, crass stupidity far too often on this subject. Provide some real evidence from comparative situations or tests, therefore that excludes you saying 'ali is better because I say so', then we can have a proper discussion.

    Why don't you do the hammer test! or see if you can out live your carbon frame! :P
  • BillyMansell
    BillyMansell Posts: 817
    With that response it looks like you've been trying the hammer test on your own head. :P :P
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    With that response it looks like you've been trying the hammer test on your own head. :P :P

    :lol:
  • neeb
    neeb Posts: 4,467
    Half of what he says makes sense and the other half is just his half-arsed, prejudiced bullshit.
    Looks like I've stirred up a hornets nest. You guys go on and rant all you like! The Ali frame will out last the carbon one hands down!
    Actually, crashes aside, a carbon frame should outlast an alloy one as it doesn't fatigue. And a badly crashed alu bike can just as easily sustain damage that would write it off or make it unsafe to ride. If all you care about is robustness, get steel.
    Why don't you do the hammer test! or see if you can out live your carbon frame! :P
    Thing is, being hit with hammers isn't the sort of wear that most bike frames generally sustain in normal use.. :wink:
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    He seems to have forgotten to state that you need at least eight spacers between the fork and the bars lol

    Given the choice between aluminium and steel - I would get steel... Aluminium (as I found out) not only suffers fatigue, but also corrodes (I have had one aluminium frame 'recycled' due to perforation - holes become visible once the paint was removed - a Cannondale MTB - so premium brand)

    A friend had two aluminium Orange frames fail due to aluminium fatigue.

    I am aware of the limitations of carbon, but its no worse than aluminium - they just suffer differ issues.
    Simon
  • ineedalager
    ineedalager Posts: 374
    I think you'll find another retard suggested the Hammer test and one poor guy doesn't have long to live!
    I was taking the p*ss

    Quote "Actually, crashes aside, a carbon frame should outlast an alloy one"

    Exactly what I said a carbon frame is more likely to fail in a crash than an Ali one!

    How many cracked carbon frames from crashes are for sale on here and Ebay, one a month one a week!

    How many crashed ali frames from crashes are for sale on here from crashes almost none!
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    youd best not fall off then, retard.
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • BillyMansell
    BillyMansell Posts: 817
    I think you'll find another retard suggested the Hammer test and one poor guy doesn't have long to live!
    I was taking the p*ss
    Don't be a wimp with a defence of "I was only" every time someone offers a retort. If you're gonna razz people prepare to be razzed in return.
    Quote "Actually, crashes aside, a carbon frame should outlast an alloy one"

    Exactly what I said a carbon frame is more likely to fail in a crash than an Ali one!
    :?: :?: How is "a carbon frame should outlast an alloy one" exactly the same as "a carbon frame is more likely to fail in a crash than an Ali one"? Are you sure you haven't been practising that hammer test on yourself?
    How many cracked carbon frames from crashes are for sale on here and Ebay, one a month one a week!

    How many crashed ali frames from crashes are for sale on here from crashes almost none!
    Again, no evidence just pure conjecture.

    When me and my brother were racing we had a rack in the garage full of steel and aluminium frames that had received relatively low speed front end impacts from real racing situations that weren't economically repairable and so were scrapped rather than sold on. The old Vitus aluminium frames were the worst for creased downtube and bent toptube damage followed by 531 and Columbus SL. We did have some 653 and 753 frames that survived front end impacts and I imagine the 7000 grade large diameter aluminium frames of today would be stronger but better than carbon in real life situations where finite element analysis can be used to build in strength where it's needed?.
  • stoneb09
    stoneb09 Posts: 98
    I found the video funny!! He is quite a comical guy and does speak some sense!!
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    How many cracked carbon frames from crashes are for sale on here and Ebay, one a month one a week!

    How many crashed ali frames from crashes are for sale on here from crashes almost none!

    You can repair carbon frames - generally you can't repair alloy frames. You'll struggle to sell a bent alloy frame at 99p no reserve whereas you can make quite a few quid with a broken carbon frame.

    If you want to make statements that disagree with established understanding (ie the presumption that carbon frames will, all things being equal, outlast alloy) you need to come up with at least some rational evidence or people will think you are a bit mad :wink:
    Faster than a tent.......
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    the vegan rider guy is an unashamed opinionated self publicist, he drops by every now and again to publicise his latest video on this and any other cycling forum he can find, but doesn't contribute anything else to forums, can't be doing with people who don't get involved/debate just want you to listen to their views. As for the OP, Grow up man
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • No no no, he's got it all wrong.

    If you're riding off road - get a mountain bike. If you riding on the road get a road bike. If you're doing both get a mountain bike and road bike - clearly this is consistent with the n+1 rule. He should know that.

    The rest of it seems reasonable though.
  • ineedalager
    ineedalager Posts: 374
    Rant on retards I still agree with the guy in the video

    Maybe you should go target him!

    I'm not the one making videos about it!

    Good luck with your stronger than Ali carbon frames!

    I am entiled to my opinion and don't need any studies to back it up!
  • BillyMansell
    BillyMansell Posts: 817
    Hold on, weren't you responsible for this shite looking carbon bike?

    SDC11797.jpg
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    I am entiled to my opinion and don't need any studies to back it up!

    Absolutely - why let the facts get in the way of an uninformed opinion! :lol:
    Faster than a tent.......
  • stueys
    stueys Posts: 1,332
    Some is right, some is crap. On the flat or downhill, weight makes no difference. Going up a climb then it's all the difference.

    Obviously if you weigh 100kg then 3kg on a bike isn't going to make or break you. 4 kg lighter bike on a 75 or 80 kg frame is noticeable though, as is the extra stiffness you get from a decent frame and wheels.

    Kinda agree with the longevity points though :(
  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    Hold on, weren't you responsible for this shite looking carbon bike?

    SDC11797.jpg


    MY EYES! MY EYES!
    'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'
  • P_Tucker
    P_Tucker Posts: 1,878
    Those thieves who steal copper pipe and lead from churches - PRAY they can't work out where the owner of that bike lives - they'd be able to retire on the headset spacers alone.