Who's worth more - Cav or Wiggo?
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Hmm both are stage race champions and have won bunch sprints... toughy :P0
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Having experienced something similar when racing for a team that had a Tour winner and a classics winner (albeit not a World Champ) I would have to say Wiggins. Apologies to Cav...0
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Cav, he's younger with more years of value in him.0
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Unfortunately you can win bucket-loads of stages in the tour and still be overshadowed by a general classification win... just the way it is...!0
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And to be fair. The way it should be ^^0
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All things being equal (age etc), Wiggo. The guy's palmares are outstanding.
I don't want to be disrespectful, but sprinters are not as important as a truly good all round rider for a GC situation.
I say the above because today I think I saw Cav's most perfect win yet. It was sublime, as is Wiggo's GC position. All are done through team work.Ecrasez l’infame0 -
Cavendish's stage wins are more likely to be talked about in 20 years time than Wiggins' one win at the tour. However, the tour de france winner is usually worth more.0
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Can I not sign Chris Froome instead?0
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Depends what you're after.
If it's UCI points - which are handy for a rider to have when it comes to contract negotiations, then winning the TdF is worth 200, winning a stage is worth 20.
Cav's 5 stage wins last year were worth a 5th place. Can anyone tell me who finished fifth?
The whole season Cav notched up just 152 points, 28th place.
Wiggins has 335 already this year, with 200 more to come....Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Really? By whom? By the general public, no chance. They will be more excited about the new footballing talent, I expect. This may be the same of the GC winner. Winning the yellow jersey is glory forever. Stage wins are all very good, but GC is what it's all about.TheBigBean wrote:Cavendish's stage wins are more likely to be talked about in 20 years time than Wiggins' one win at the tour. However, the tour de france winner is usually worth more.Ecrasez l’infame0 -
What about in terms of sponsorship? If a brand invests in a team, then would it prefer A GC rider who may not win many stages but gets the mention, or the TV shot of a sprinter winning the stage, and flashing their branding to the world.0
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Well, the forum in the past has indicated that Cavendish wins aren't worth that much in terms of interest. Yesterdays was different because he's had such a howler in terms of sprint chances this year. His speed will also wane over the years.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Got to be Wiggins, just for the column inches he could generate.
On subject of Cav, what are the chances of him changing his riding style and concentrating less on bunch sprints and trying to win from further out. Something akin to Jalabert did or Boonen over last couple of years.0 -
BelgianBeerGeek wrote:
Really? By whom? By the general public, no chance. They will be more excited about the new footballing talent, I expect. This may be the same of the GC winner. Winning the yellow jersey is glory forever. Stage wins are all very good, but GC is what it's all about.TheBigBean wrote:Cavendish's stage wins are more likely to be talked about in 20 years time than Wiggins' one win at the tour. However, the tour de france winner is usually worth more.
People who like cycling will wonder who that guy is that won 22 stages of the tour. They are likely to be less concerned about who won the tour once in 2012. For example I have heard of Darrigade, but not Lucien Aimar.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:BelgianBeerGeek wrote:
Really? By whom? By the general public, no chance. They will be more excited about the new footballing talent, I expect. This may be the same of the GC winner. Winning the yellow jersey is glory forever. Stage wins are all very good, but GC is what it's all about.TheBigBean wrote:Cavendish's stage wins are more likely to be talked about in 20 years time than Wiggins' one win at the tour. However, the tour de france winner is usually worth more.
People who like cycling will wonder who that guy is that won 22 stages of the tour. They are likely to be less concerned about who won the tour once in 2012. For example I have heard of Darrigade, but not Lucien Aimar.
Maybe but if Wiggins wins won't he also be the only brit to do so in the 99 year history of the TDF? that alone will help him be remembered more than a man with more stage wins than another sprinter from years gone by.0 -
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Wiggins year, it will not happen again. He has opened the way, but he is old and Froome is stronger and younger. He had an amazing career... Time to let others winleft the forum March 20230
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Rick Chasey wrote:Today? Wiggins.
For the next three? Cav.
Wiggins is old.
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The value of having the first ever British Tour winner is massive but his value will fall over the next few years. Fast. He's going to struggle to get on the podium next year with some big names back and a parcours full to the brim with cols. Even when acheiving something as truly historic as he has done this year, he has been partly overshadowed by a younger and probably better British GC rider in Chris Froome. Wiggins is quite an unassuming guy and now he has acheived his ultimate goal I wouldn't be surprised if we see him take a back seat in favour of Froome. He's already hinted as much.
Cav on the other hand is going to carry on winning stages in the most commercial bike race in the world for some years to come. Not only that but within three or four years he's likely going to be the most prolific Tour stage winner in history, and that is absolutely priceless.0 -
Definitely Wiggins, winning the tour is forever.
Cavendish dominates his subfield even more then Wiggin's does his, but it's just that - a subfield/niche. An amazing cyclist but a TdF winner is a TdF winner...it doesn't get any higher then that.The British Empire never died, it just moved to the Velodrome0 -
TheBigBean wrote:BelgianBeerGeek wrote:
Really? By whom? By the general public, no chance. They will be more excited about the new footballing talent, I expect. This may be the same of the GC winner. Winning the yellow jersey is glory forever. Stage wins are all very good, but GC is what it's all about.TheBigBean wrote:Cavendish's stage wins are more likely to be talked about in 20 years time than Wiggins' one win at the tour. However, the tour de france winner is usually worth more.
People who like cycling will wonder who that guy is that won 22 stages of the tour. They are likely to be less concerned about who won the tour once in 2012. For example I have heard of Darrigade, but not Lucien Aimar.
Will people who like cycling not be talking about Wiggins as the only rider to have won Paris Nice, the Tour of Romandie, the Criterium du Dauphine and the Tour de France (hopefully) in the same year?0 -
How many stage wins did Cav achieve under and where are HTC now?
I could see Cav making a sudden departure to OQS as it looks like next years TFD will be for Froome.0 -
I would like to see that happen and he then get beat badly. His play acting on the mountains has been embarrassing. It was great to see Wiggo destroy the field yesterday - the best riposte he could have come back with.Stanley222 wrote:Never know - Froome may get offered a fortune and jump ship himself!
Personally, I value Wiggo over Cavendish any day. I think he will be seen as a legendary figure of British Cycling in years to come. How many cyclists have won Olympic gold and TdF?0 -
At the moment I'd say Wiggins but long term I'd say Cav. He's assured legendary status already, Wiggo at the moment is the first British tour winner but outside the UK he's still only a one time tour winner for now.
Obviously it depends what wiggins does in future but in the last few years I'd say cav was more bankable than someone like Satre.Saracen Tenet 3 - 2015 - Dead - Replaced with a Hack Frame
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