Rolland...
esafosfina
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Ok, just seeing what the general consensus is to Rolland's actions on today's stage... I know if he did that when I was racing he'd be thoroughly shunned by the peloton... (and abused to hell!). For what it's worth, it was the worst thing he could have ever done... the peloton have long memories!
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Peloton probably wont forget, especially over a 3 week race. Mind you, I think he did start slowing down after team told him to.
If it was a 1 day (or amateur race), I'd say go for it.
Someone said "if I hear a crash in my (3/4th cat) race, I take it as a sign to dig in a make a break". Good way of looking at it0 -
viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12866122&start=200#p17741685 - see the twitter feed0
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Fuuny old game cycle racing. It isn't just a matter of being the first from A-B it's the manner in which you do it and the subjectivity attached to your fortune or misfortune along the way. One man's Contador moment is another's Cancellara if you get what I mean.0
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esafosfina wrote:Ok, just seeing what the general consensus is to Rolland's actions on today's stage... I know if he did that when I was racing he'd be thoroughly shunned by the peloton... (and abused to hell!). For what it's worth, it was the worst thing he could have ever done... the peloton have long memories!
It's the worst thing he could have ever done? Hyperbole.0 -
Rundfahrt wrote:esafosfina wrote:Ok, just seeing what the general consensus is to Rolland's actions on today's stage... I know if he did that when I was racing he'd be thoroughly shunned by the peloton... (and abused to hell!). For what it's worth, it was the worst thing he could have ever done... the peloton have long memories!
It's the worst thing he could have ever done? Hyperbole.
God, you really are just so unpleasant, aren't you?0 -
Didn't Rolland ease up? It was a bit of a pointless move in the first place. Whatever was going on behind, he wouldn't have got away to earn any significant time.0
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The commentators kept saying Europcar already have a bad reputation in the peleton. What have they done to piss everyone off?0
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Rolland is a rat.
Tail end Charlie
The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.0 -
He probably shouldn't have done it but if the peloton are going to hold a grudge over it then they want to grow up a bit.
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0 -
CambsNewbie wrote:The commentators kept saying Europcar already have a bad reputation in the peloton. What have they done to wee-wee everyone off?
Generally not doing their fair share of work, attacking at inappropriate times. But I think most of that is transfered over from Tommy V's behaviour rather than the whole teamFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:CambsNewbie wrote:The commentators kept saying Europcar already have a bad reputation in the peloton. What have they done to wee-wee everyone off?
Generally not doing their fair share of work, attacking at inappropriate times. But I think most of that is transfered over from Tommy V's facial behaviour rather than the whole team
FTFY
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iainf72 wrote:CambsNewbie wrote:The commentators kept saying Europcar already have a bad reputation in the peloton. What have they done to wee-wee everyone off?
Generally not doing their fair share of work, attacking at inappropriate times. But I think most of that is transfered over from Tommy V's behaviour rather than the whole team
Doesn't seem to stop them winning.0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Provoked wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:esafosfina wrote:Ok, just seeing what the general consensus is to Rolland's actions on today's stage... I know if he did that when I was racing he'd be thoroughly shunned by the peloton... (and abused to hell!). For what it's worth, it was the worst thing he could have ever done... the peloton have long memories!
It's the worst thing he could have ever done? Hyperbole.
God, you really are just so unpleasant, aren't you?
Rather ironic considering your three posts here.0 -
Rolland was totally out of order. There are clear "unwritten rules", and he broke them entirely to try to personally gain.
I would imagine that he will be chased down every time he makes a move for a fair time to come.
Wiggins, on the other hand, went from leader to patron. The really special thing, for me, was the "well done" from the race direction.0 -
In fairness to Rolland, he didn't gain a personal advantage since he slowed down.
He had 45 seconds on the peloton, so it wasn't just he was chased down. He sat up too.
And also, in fairness to him, he attacked long before we knew it was tacks on the road.
All we knew is Evans had what looked like a comically bad puncture moment at the time. And is Rolland a rival to Evans? No. And given what happend on stage 6, he probably figured, if they don't wait for me, I'm also not important enough to have to wait for him.
And all this Wiggins being gentlemanly - wasn't shutting the race down and neutralising it what sky were doing ALL DAY.
I mean sure, let Evans get back and don't exploit it, but it wasn't like they were giving up a potentially race winning move to be sporting. It suited them.0 -
iainf72 wrote:
Iain,
Is this because after a rest day they are suddenly incredibly refreshed and dominant as if they've received overnight delivery from refridgerated panniered motobikes!0 -
Rick,
Let's be honest putting a further minute between Froome and Evans would be a good idea and it would have pretty much cemented Wiggins' tour so .... they did the honourable thing.0 -
plectrum wrote:Rick,
Let's be honest putting a further minute between Froome and Evans would be a good idea and it would have pretty much cemented Wiggins' tour so .... they did the honourable thing.
They'd never planned to do anything today.
Evans is barely a challenger anymore. Nibali/Froome are the closest riders.
This just suited their 'plan' - the ones they go on about so much anyway, and they come out with headlines like 'Wiggns le gentleman'.
Let me put it this way. Had sky been slamming it on the final 2km before hand, splitting the peloton, and THEN it'd happened, there's no way they would have waited, just like they didn't wait for van den Broeck on that stage Froome won.0 -
Rolland didn't do himself any favours there , I take it he feels hard done to from a previous stage but why make yourself unpopular
I expected a bit more action fron the GC riders are they gambling everything on wednesdays stage ?The UCI are Clowns and Fools0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Had sky been slamming it on the final 2km before hand, splitting the peloton, and THEN it'd happened, there's no way they would have waited, just like they didn't wait for van den Broeck on that stage Froome won.
Different scenario.
No one would expect them to stop in that situation. In this case everyone had come over the top together.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Pierre says he was unaware of the situation that was developing and couldn't get any information over the radio. He also says that when the peloton came back he explained and they were ok about it afterwards.0
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As I've mentioned previously. No issue with what Rolland done but live by the sword die by the sword.
His excuse is almost as good as TJVG's one for seeing Evans punture :P0 -
Wiggo had 2 choices, gain 2 minutes and incurr the wrath of oficionados or simply make a gesture that would have to be returned - he's one day closer to home and hopefully has shut up the whinging media trying to link him with drugs. Win-win, well done Bradley. As for Rolland... what a dick.'I started with nothing and still have most of it left.'0
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I agree that it suited Sky to shut the peloton down on the descent. Wiggins had a pretty perfect day. Not only was Nibali (or anyone else) stoppped from launching an attack but he's also hailed as a hero of the Tour.
I think it was a pretty dumb move from Rolland. He's seriously trying to say that he saw the front of the peloton cruising down the descent at 1/3 of the normal speed, looking around, and he didn't think to ask what was going on? He just naturally assumed everthing was fine and gunned it? Come off it.0 -
Milton50 wrote:I agree that it suited Sky to shut the peloton down on the descent. Wiggins had a pretty perfect day. Not only was Nibali (or anyone else) stoppped from launching an attack but he's also hailed as a hero of the Tour.
I think it was a pretty dumb move from Rolland. He's seriously trying to say that he saw the front of the peloton cruising down the descent at 1/3 of the normal speed, looking around, and he didn't think to ask what was going on? He just naturally assumed everthing was fine and gunned it? Come off it.
Well thats what he says. Or thats what Velonation says that he says.
Hey Rebs, whats this about TJVG making excuses?0 -
Rolland is a heavyweight. The Tour needs 25 more of him.
His actions were not attacking due to tacks on the road, just because he has the legs and the spirit. Its a shame he had to sit up.
In case you didnt read the article:
If someone attacks a puncture or a crash, I'd be the first to moan. Had I been aware of anything, I would have waited.Contador is the Greatest0 -
So Europcar have crap radios do they Frenchie? And Rolland's eyesight is dodgy (might explain his poor descending!!). Very poor excuse from Rolland as it was obvious something was up, and someone in that group could have spoken french to him.
TJVG just looked at Cuddles, then looked the other way and rode off! He was alongside Cuddles as Cuddles stopped!0 -
To be fair to Rolland the situation earlier in the Tour when several outside favourites lost time and sprinters lost chances because of that mass pile up wasn't a lot different to yesterday and nobody slowed down then.
I'm sure he just thought Evans had punctured and didn't see that as a reason not to carry out what may have been a planned attack on that descent anyway - at that stage it wasn't clear there had been deliberate sabotage. He may have calculated Sky wouldn't chase him and other teams wouldn't have the numbers up there to do so.
It's not as if Evans is the yellow jersey he's in 4th place - how far down the GC are you expected to wait for people ?
it's a hard life if you don't weaken.0
