Ian Brady's very ill

Frank the tank
Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
edited July 2012 in The cake stop
And in hospital.

Hope it's something that'll kill him pretty quick.
Tail end Charlie

The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.

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  • Ka12
    Ka12 Posts: 216
    Long and painful would be better than quick!
  • daviesee
    daviesee Posts: 6,386
    I hope it is slow. And painful.

    I don't normally wish pain on others but I am willing to make exceptions. He is one.
    None of the above should be taken seriously, and certainly not personally.
  • Frank the tank
    Frank the tank Posts: 6,553
    What is sickening is perfectly decent people have had operations cancelled several times, yet that "thing" gets in no trouble.
    Tail end Charlie

    The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.
  • neddie
    neddie Posts: 101
    Good !
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  • cornerblock
    cornerblock Posts: 3,228
    Shame Dr Harold Shipman is no longer around, he could have treated him.
  • centimani
    centimani Posts: 467
    It made me feel slightly uneasy wishing a painful death on him, (i'm don't like to spoil my day thinking bad thoughts) then i remembered my brother who died suddenly at no great age. Never did anyone any harm, just lived his life as best he could.
    So Brady can rot in hell :x
  • adm1
    adm1 Posts: 180
    Frank the tank wrote:
    What is sickening is perfectly decent people have had operations cancelled several times, yet that "thing" gets in no trouble.

    He's probably paid for it though - either by insurance premiums or cash.
  • TheEnglishman
    TheEnglishman Posts: 587
    I kind of feel neutral over him. He admitted his crimes, asked never to be released and serves his time as a criminally insane man. He's mentally broken.

    Death won't come soon enough for him and his passing may finally offer some form of closure to any remaining family members of his victims.

    it's just sad all around.

    :cry:
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  • llanelwy_ewok
    llanelwy_ewok Posts: 21
    When Brady does croak it, I hope they bury him on the Moors and then not tell his family where the body is.
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  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    i heard the police cars and ambulances going up to ashworth - he actually got an escort. :cry:
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  • tim_wand
    tim_wand Posts: 2,552
    It will be costing us a fortune each hour hes in Hospital. High Risk Cat A bedwatch , That will be a Senior Officer and Two Prison Officers every 12 hours, Minimum of a Grand a day just for staff to gaurd him.

    Hopefully hes section 47 mental health act and not 51 criminal justice, then god knows what it will cost for him to be in an outside hospital.

    Would be nice if he had a moment of conscience and remembered where some of the bodies are buried.
  • jordan_217
    jordan_217 Posts: 2,580
    tim wand wrote:
    It will be costing us a fortune each hour hes in Hospital. High Risk Cat A bedwatch , That will be a Senior Officer and Two Prison Officers every 12 hours, Minimum of a Grand a day just for staff to gaurd him.

    Hopefully hes section 47 mental health act and not 51 criminal justice, then god knows what it will cost for him to be in an outside hospital.

    Would be nice if he had a moment of conscience and remembered where some of the bodies are buried.

    God, you'd think you've worked in the prison service the way your talking :wink:
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  • adm1
    adm1 Posts: 180
    adm1 wrote:
    Frank the tank wrote:
    What is sickening is perfectly decent people have had operations cancelled several times, yet that "thing" gets in no trouble.

    He's probably paid for it though - either by insurance premiums or cash.

    Forget that....I misread the thread title as Ian Brown from the Stone Roses :oops: Was kind of wondering why everyone was quite so hostile to him....
  • tim_wand
    tim_wand Posts: 2,552
    Dont worry , I thought so what the Lightening Seeds were Crap, initially reading Ian Broodie :D
  • Mr_Cellophane
    Mr_Cellophane Posts: 690
    tim wand wrote:
    Hopefully hes section 47 mental health act and not 51 criminal justice, then god knows what it will cost for him to be in an outside hospital.
    He is held under the Mental Health Act, which is why he is still alive. If he was held as a criminal, he would have been allowed to starve himself to death 12 years ago.
  • OffTheBackAdam
    OffTheBackAdam Posts: 1,869
    He's trying to get himself classified as a mere criminal, rather than an insane criminal, so he can starve himself to death.
    Should be kept alive, until he tells where his other victims are buried, then dispatched cleanly!
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  • schlepcycling
    schlepcycling Posts: 1,614
    llanelwy_ewok wrote:
    When Brady does croak it, I hope they bury him on the Moors and then not tell his family where the body is.

    Just what I was thinking.
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  • Smokin Joe
    Smokin Joe Posts: 2,706
    daviesee wrote:
    I hope it is slow. And painful.

    I don't normally wish pain on others but I am willing to make exceptions. He is one.
    +1
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    TheEnglishman wrote:
    I kind of feel neutral over him. He admitted his crimes, asked never to be released and serves his time as a criminally insane man. He's mentally broken.

    Death won't come soon enough for him and his passing may finally offer some form of closure to any remaining family members of his victims.

    it's just sad all around.

    :cry:

    Can't feel Neutral about a man that refuses to tell the family of a murdered child where the body is. That would bring some closure.
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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    He's a man who needs to go the hard way
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  • BillyMansell
    BillyMansell Posts: 817
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    TheEnglishman wrote:
    I kind of feel neutral over him. He admitted his crimes, asked never to be released and serves his time as a criminally insane man. He's mentally broken.

    Death won't come soon enough for him and his passing may finally offer some form of closure to any remaining family members of his victims.

    it's just sad all around.

    :cry:

    Can't feel Neutral about a man that refuses to tell the family of a murdered child where the body is. That would bring some closure.
    A very human reaction or in other words a reaction to an abhorrent act that no other species would continue to harbour such grudges. All other species accept death as a natural threat to its young. Humans are abnormal in that respect.

    Not to forgive Ian Brady his crimes, but he has become a show piece that clearly instils a stereotype and a fear that still persists in human society today. He was a product of his environment and a product that grew out of an acceptance by society of child abuse of its time. From today's values of health and social care, we now see he was a damaged person who was allowed to grow ever more perverse within a damaged system. When society and the systems fail in this way it's far easier to blame the individual. Has child protection improved? We haven't even scratched the surface.
  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    ^^^

    Brady feels he has done nothing wrong and that his actions were perfectly acceptable, not by societies norms but by his warped values- he therefore feels he has no need to say where the body/bodies are buried. That's his individual moral choice. Seems fair therefore to blame the individual.
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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    BillyMansell wrote:
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    TheEnglishman wrote:
    I kind of feel neutral over him. He admitted his crimes, asked never to be released and serves his time as a criminally insane man. He's mentally broken.

    Death won't come soon enough for him and his passing may finally offer some form of closure to any remaining family members of his victims.

    it's just sad all around.

    :cry:

    Can't feel Neutral about a man that refuses to tell the family of a murdered child where the body is. That would bring some closure.
    A very human reaction or in other words a reaction to an abhorrent act that no other species would continue to harbour such grudges. All other species accept death as a natural threat to its young. Humans are abnormal in that respect.

    Not to forgive Ian Brady his crimes, but he has become a show piece that clearly instils a stereotype and a fear that still persists in human society today. He was a product of his environment and a product that grew out of an acceptance by society of child abuse of its time. From today's values of health and social care, we now see he was a damaged person who was allowed to grow ever more perverse within a damaged system. When society and the systems fail in this way it's far easier to blame the individual. Has child protection improved? We haven't even scratched the surface.
    No species accepts the death of their young. Go try to kill a lion cub and see what happens.
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  • jonomc4
    jonomc4 Posts: 891
    As far as I know he wants to die and even went on hunger strike - but they can force feed him because he is in a mental hospital. He went to court to be transferred to another prison, so he could then starve himself to death. Maybe keeping him alive is a better punishment than letting him die?
  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    edited July 2012
    jonomc4 wrote:
    As far as I know he wants to die and even went on hunger strike - but they can force feed him because he is in a mental hospital. He went to court to be transferred to another prison, so he could then starve himself to death. Maybe keeping him alive is a better punishment than letting him die?
    Yeah, I reckon making him linger on in prison another couple of decades is better than oblivion - but death, when it finally comes, ought to be one long scream
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  • BillyMansell
    BillyMansell Posts: 817
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    BillyMansell wrote:
    A very human reaction or in other words a reaction to an abhorrent act that no other species would continue to harbour such grudges. All other species accept death as a natural threat to its young. Humans are abnormal in that respect.

    No species accepts the death of their young. Go try to kill a lion cub and see what happens.
    I did state that no other species harbours the death of the young except humans, but beyond that humans generate hatred towards people they have no knowledge of. Welcome to the internet.
  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    BillyMansell wrote:
    Hoopdriver wrote:
    BillyMansell wrote:
    A very human reaction or in other words a reaction to an abhorrent act that no other species would continue to harbour such grudges. All other species accept death as a natural threat to its young. Humans are abnormal in that respect.

    No species accepts the death of their young. Go try to kill a lion cub and see what happens.
    I did state that no other species harbours the death of the young except humans, but beyond that humans generate hatred towards people they have no knowledge of. Welcome to the internet.
    No, you said they accept death as a natural threat to their young. And I pointed out that if you went out to clip a lion cub you would learn a few things. As for grudges, go kill a lion cub while the mother's busy elsewhere and then saunter away - I think you might find that her natural philosophy had plenty of elbow room for grudges and vengeance. For that matter, the population of elephants at Tsavo in Kenya bear plenty of grudges towards humans. But perhaps they wouldn't to you because you are such an enlightened chap.

    Many thanks for your snotty and fairly childish 'welcome to the internet'.
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  • shedhead
    shedhead Posts: 367
    May seem callous, but i think the relatives of his victims should have chosen his fate long ago. I have two children 13 & 11 & if he'd done that to them i would've like half an hour in a locked room with him. Suffer you shite i say.
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  • rodgers73
    rodgers73 Posts: 2,626
    BillyMansell wrote:
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    TheEnglishman wrote:
    I kind of feel neutral over him. He admitted his crimes, asked never to be released and serves his time as a criminally insane man. He's mentally broken.

    Death won't come soon enough for him and his passing may finally offer some form of closure to any remaining family members of his victims.

    it's just sad all around.

    :cry:

    Can't feel Neutral about a man that refuses to tell the family of a murdered child where the body is. That would bring some closure.
    A very human reaction or in other words a reaction to an abhorrent act that no other species would continue to harbour such grudges. All other species accept death as a natural threat to its young. Humans are abnormal in that respect.

    Not to forgive Ian Brady his crimes, but he has become a show piece that clearly instils a stereotype and a fear that still persists in human society today. He was a product of his environment and a product that grew out of an acceptance by society of child abuse of its time. From today's values of health and social care, we now see he was a damaged person who was allowed to grow ever more perverse within a damaged system. When society and the systems fail in this way it's far easier to blame the individual. Has child protection improved? We haven't even scratched the surface.


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  • Hoopdriver
    Hoopdriver Posts: 2,023
    rodgers73 wrote:
    BillyMansell wrote:
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    TheEnglishman wrote:
    I kind of feel neutral over him. He admitted his crimes, asked never to be released and serves his time as a criminally insane man. He's mentally broken.

    Death won't come soon enough for him and his passing may finally offer some form of closure to any remaining family members of his victims.

    it's just sad all around.

    :cry:

    Can't feel Neutral about a man that refuses to tell the family of a murdered child where the body is. That would bring some closure.
    A very human reaction or in other words a reaction to an abhorrent act that no other species would continue to harbour such grudges. All other species accept death as a natural threat to its young. Humans are abnormal in that respect.

    Not to forgive Ian Brady his crimes, but he has become a show piece that clearly instils a stereotype and a fear that still persists in human society today. He was a product of his environment and a product that grew out of an acceptance by society of child abuse of its time. From today's values of health and social care, we now see he was a damaged person who was allowed to grow ever more perverse within a damaged system. When society and the systems fail in this way it's far easier to blame the individual. Has child protection improved? We haven't even scratched the surface.


    Thank god. Sanity. Thanks for saving my faith in the non-cycling areas of this board!
    A 'damaged' person?

    And I suppose it's society's fault?
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