Warming down

ermintrude

Seem to remember Wiggo getting loads of stick for warming down on turbo after stages, do I now notice a few other riders eg Greipel doing same ?

LeicesterLad

ermintrude wrote:

Seem to remember Wiggo getting loads of stick for warming down on turbo after stages, do I now notice a few other riders eg Greipel doing same ?

Yes I noticed Greipel on the Turbo. Wiggins has only recently took a bit of stick, mainly from the press because it apparently makes him anti-social. Don't know why only recently though, as Wiggins has been doing a warmdown for years.

TMR

ermintrude wrote:

Seem to remember Wiggo getting loads of stick for warming down on turbo after stages, do I now notice a few other riders eg Greipel doing same ?

No. Wiggo got stick for warming down with a towel over his head so he didn't have to speak to the press. Most Pro riders warm down after a stage.

LeicesterLad

The Mad Rapper wrote:

ermintrude wrote:

Seem to remember Wiggo getting loads of stick for warming down on turbo after stages, do I now notice a few other riders eg Greipel doing same ?

No. Wiggo got stick for warming down with a towel over his head so he didn't have to speak to the press. Most Pro riders warm down after a stage.

Thats answered my question then!

inseine

Griepel seemed to be cooling down ( surely you warm up?) in a monster gear :?

Yellow Peril

ermintrude wrote:

Seem to remember Wiggo getting loads of stick for warming down on turbo after stages, do I now notice a few other riders eg Greipel doing same ?

Just saw Greipel on the ITV4 highlights show being interviewed. I ddn't notice him on a bike but he was rocking/swaying slightly from side to side as they discussed his lead out for Cav. He looked like a neurotic. I bet he has pictures of cav with the face cut out and his inserted all over the motorhome.

Anonymous

I always wonder how athletes think about the immediate press interviews at the end of an event. I bet they would prefer peace for a bit, especially if the day hadn't gone to plan.

dish_dash

Yellow Peril wrote:

ermintrude wrote:

Seem to remember Wiggo getting loads of stick for warming down on turbo after stages, do I now notice a few other riders eg Greipel doing same ?

Just saw Greipel on the ITV4 highlights show being interviewed. I ddn't notice him on a bike but he was rocking/swaying slightly from side to side as they discussed his lead out for Cav. He looked like a neurotic. I bet he has pictures of cav with the face cut out and his inserted all over the motorhome.

Greipel was def on a turbo during that interview, hence the rocking/swaying...

zammmmo

sjmclean wrote:

I always wonder how athletes think about the immediate press interviews at the end of an event. I bet they would prefer peace for a bit, especially if the day hadn't gone to plan.

not to mention the fact its a great way to pick up an infection - after ridng a stage the immune system is shot to pieces and u then get loads of reporters crowding round.

fwiw - i too have wondered about not seeing riders warm down much in the past...often they just seem to get straight on their team coach and just presumed the massage later was their recovery. makes much more sense if they do get on some rollers or a turbo but preferably away from people. of course for us its far better if they can be interviewed asap as the best sound-bites are likely then.

derbygrimpeur

inseine wrote:

Griepel seemed to be cooling down ( surely you warm up?) in a monster gear :?

no, you warm down. You are hot after the finish and you want to gently ease the muscles, keeping them warm, without letting them get cold.

ddraver

^Same thing isnt it....

I reckon that a lot of Team Sky's success can be attributed to small things like this. In every other sport it's well known that you have to warm down, hell, even the mighty Llandudno RFC goes for a lap of the pitch after the game... I think they ve done well to look outside of cycling and get in a lot of people who genuinely question why things are done. I bet they were met with a lot of "Well Because you...you see it's neccessary to....erm...hmmm..dunno actually"

Cycling Training Methiods have been so heavily skewed by doping for the last 20 years that I'm not sure anyone knows how to train the best at the moment. Same goes for peaking for races. Can you imagine the All Blacks laying off in the Tri Nations becasue they re peaking for the World Cup? Everyone would fall about laughing!

fungus_the_muffin_man

derbygrimpeur wrote:

inseine wrote:

Griepel seemed to be cooling down ( surely you warm up?) in a monster gear :?

no, you warm down. You are hot after the finish and you want to gently ease the muscles, keeping them warm, without letting them get cold.

I think he was wondering why Griepel was using such a big gear to warm down and not spinning it a bit in a smaller gear to help with warming down.

RichN95.

In an article about Sky in Cycle Sport it said that when Wiggins did it at the '11 Dauphine other teams were laughing at him, at Paris-Nice they were studying him and at Romandie they were copying him.

emadden

ddraver wrote:

^Same thing isnt it....

I reckon that a lot of Team Sky's success can be attributed to small things like this. In every other sport it's well known that you have to warm down, hell, even the mighty Llandudno RFC goes for a lap of the pitch after the game... I think they ve done well to look outside of cycling and get in a lot of people who genuinely question why things are done. I bet they were met with a lot of "Well Because you...you see it's neccessary to....erm...hmmm..dunno actually"

Cycling Training Methiods have been so heavily skewed by doping for the last 20 years that I'm not sure anyone knows how to train the best at the moment. Same goes for peaking for races. Can you imagine the All Blacks laying off in the Tri Nations becasue they re peaking for the World Cup? Everyone would fall about laughing!

Warming down in cycling has been there for decades... What Sky/other teams were/are doing is not new. What is different now is that there appears to be more cameras "back stage". Granted if you go to a lot of races it is rare to see such warm down practices - the reason being that many riders ride back to the hotel, or down the road to the bus... Yes, sometimes they will jump into a car or onto the bus if it is nearby without a warm down but that is usually in cases where the riders/team need to make a quick get away (logistics issues in getting away before roads open to traffic etc).

ilovebigwig

ddraver wrote:

^Same thing isnt it....

I reckon that a lot of Team Sky's success can be attributed to small things like this. In every other sport it's well known that you have to warm down, hell, even the mighty Llandudno RFC goes for a lap of the pitch after the game... I think they ve done well to look outside of cycling and get in a lot of people who genuinely question why things are done. I bet they were met with a lot of "Well Because you...you see it's neccessary to....erm...hmmm..dunno actually"

Cycling Training Methiods have been so heavily skewed by doping for the last 20 years that I'm not sure anyone knows how to train the best at the moment. Same goes for peaking for races. Can you imagine the All Blacks laying off in the Tri Nations becasue they re peaking for the World Cup? Everyone would fall about laughing!

The All Blacks and South Africans have often fielded weakened teams in the Tri-Nations pre-World Cup, chatted about here and elsewhere...

http://www.rugby-talk.com/2011/07/3n-pr ... more-31995

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/rugby/r ... ns-line-up

Yellow Peril

dish_dash wrote:

Yellow Peril wrote:

ermintrude wrote:

Seem to remember Wiggo getting loads of stick for warming down on turbo after stages, do I now notice a few other riders eg Greipel doing same ?

Just saw Greipel on the ITV4 highlights show being interviewed. I ddn't notice him on a bike but he was rocking/swaying slightly from side to side as they discussed his lead out for Cav. He looked like a neurotic. I bet he has pictures of cav with the face cut out and his inserted all over the motorhome.

Greipel was def on a turbo during that interview, hence the rocking/swaying...

TBH it makes sense he must produce about a million gallons of lactic acid in those thighs after a sprint. It probably makes things easier for the sognieur.

inseine

I thought I'd post a quick message while I'm waiting for my tea to 'warm down'..... :shock:

Monty Zoncolan

Warming down does seem to make a lot of sense, particularly after an intense effort to the finish. I had always wondered whether the pros, on finishing a stage, would just unclip, get off and wander about, or worse, get on the bus and sit stationary for however long it takes for everyone to board and the drive to the hotel. Seems counter-intuitive to the very scientific approach taken to recovery generally.

A few related questions nagging at the back of my mind that I might as well bring to the fore in this context, are:

1. Finishers who are involved in the podium presentation - do they get a proper chance to warm down?

2 Ditto, do they even get a chance to have a shower and change their kit? I'd get blasted by a coach for hanging around in race gear after finishing, gettin cold and inviting infections.

symo

Errr the previous warm downs were to keep the blood moving at all hours. Lots of riders staying in hotels in the EPO era were always warming down at odd hours. :?

Which is why I do believe this is new, cameras were always around in the bus areas, but sky were the first out there doing a warm down.

frenchfighter

http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/bic ... 01&yr=2012

slim_boy_fat

I was under the impression that all sports men/women warmed down after an event. If you hang about in the stands long enough after a football match you see the teams come back out to do a warm down. As I understand it, it helps in negating the build up of lactic.

ddraver

Exactly - but Sky are new in taking it seriously post race/stage. Before it was just a spin back to the bus through a rabid pack of journos.

ddraver

(Welcome by the way, ignore that other bloke, we all do! Hopefulyl he won't venture in here as we re not talking Armstrong)

slim_boy_fat

ddraver wrote:

Exactly - but Sky are new in taking it seriously post race/stage. Before it was just a spin back to the bus through a rabid pack of journos.

I didn't realise that, I'd just taken it as a given that they would have done a proper warm down. So is this another side to the professional attitude that Sky have brought to the sport? Interesting that others are adopting their procedures, I was under the impression that they hadn't exactly been welcomed into the peleton with open arms, is that still the case or are they a fully accepted team within the peleton now?

ddraver wrote:

(Welcome by the way, ignore that other bloke, we all do! Hopefulyl he won't venture in here as we re not talking Armstrong)

Thanks very much.

ddraver

Everything changed when they started winning....

But yes, basically...