Rockshox 2013

Chunkers1980

Should have said the naming game instead SS.

I swear they just set out to confuse through all their permutations.

Edit.. And agree with Yeehaa at the top of the page. It just won't happen, as it is the way of the World

supersonic

No idea why they need so many budget forks - well I do TBH, it's to slot perfectly into very narrow budgets of the cheap OE market, but seems too many after market.

As for naming, RL is just daft.

leaflite

According to that site, the Recon RL and TK are the same price and both have MoCo?
I agree that the names are stupid.

supersonic

Must be a mistake somewhere, as only the Recon RL is moco - the TK is the Turnkey damper. But basic moco has compression adjust, so RL is doing it an injustice! The Revelation and SID RL get adjustable floodgate and dual flow rebound, (at least in 2012), so RL means something else here too.

YeehaaMcgee

What in god's name is dual flow rebound?
I've never understood the need for high and low-speed rebound.

angry_bird

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

mrmonkfinger wrote:

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

There's something that bugs me with things like this...
Why do forks have to be changed every year, rather than when a genuine improvement has been made. I'm pretty sure that keeping the same thing in production for longer would lower costs.

two words: orange five

<runs>

I honestly don't know what Orange's release schedule is, but I do know that a few things have changed over the year, such as cable guides, headtubes, geometry, that kind of thing.
No idea if they're on an annual release schedule though.

I know that recently orange decided that all their 5s need the maxle rear end, before it was an option to upgrade to. Price is £100 extra, so £1500 for the frame, had a knock on on the entry level 5 as now it "needs" hope hubs (on some low end rims too), so pushed their price up even further :roll:

I might just being an arse but I just think it's ludicrous, it's the same bike, they've just decided to charge £100 extra for a rear that's got some holes in it instead of dropouts... not sure if it's a 142 or 135mm system they've opted for but still, I don't think it justifies that price rise, it can't be costing them that much more. Particularly on a frame that a year ago was £200 cheaper than it is now and the only change they made was the addition of an extra set of cable routes for a dropper post.

I dislike orange as a company, mostly because of their prices and stupid specs (I mean a £2400 bike with a QR Sektor up front for instance), which is a shame because I quite like the bikes (well riding them, not looking at them )


Anyway, back on topic, I think it's a shame RS dropped the dual air system, I like it, I know it takes a while to get used to and set up but now I'm at a stage where I know exactly what pressure balances I want. If I feel like having a bit firmer ride, or a bit of a softer start to the stroke I can just whack a shock pump on the negative chamber before I set off and 10 seconds later have the fork set to how I fancy. Having said that let's see how these new forks stack up when the magazines and more importantly real people get hold of them.

Shylock

Just when I'd got my head around last years range! Looks like there names are as misleading as BMW's badges!

lawman

Angry Bird wrote:

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

mrmonkfinger wrote:

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

There's something that bugs me with things like this...
Why do forks have to be changed every year, rather than when a genuine improvement has been made. I'm pretty sure that keeping the same thing in production for longer would lower costs.

two words: orange five

<runs>

I honestly don't know what Orange's release schedule is, but I do know that a few things have changed over the year, such as cable guides, headtubes, geometry, that kind of thing.
No idea if they're on an annual release schedule though.

I know that recently orange decided that all their 5s need the maxle rear end, before it was an option to upgrade to. Price is £100 extra, so £1500 for the frame, had a knock on on the entry level 5 as now it "needs" hope hubs (on some low end rims too), so pushed their price up even further :roll:

I might just being an ars* but I just think it's ludicrous, it's the same bike, they've just decided to charge £100 extra for a rear that's got some holes in it instead of dropouts... not sure if it's a 142 or 135mm system they've opted for but still, I don't think it justifies that price rise, it can't be costing them that much more. Particularly on a frame that a year ago was £200 cheaper than it is now and the only change they made was the addition of an extra set of cable routes for a dropper post.

I dislike orange as a company, mostly because of their prices and stupid specs (I mean a £2400 bike with a QR Sektor up front for instance), which is a shame because I quite like the bikes (well riding them, not looking at them )


Anyway, back on topic, I think it's a shame RS dropped the dual air system, I like it, I know it takes a while to get used to and set up but now I'm at a stage where I know exactly what pressure balances I want. If I feel like having a bit firmer ride, or a bit of a softer start to the stroke I can just whack a shock pump on the negative chamber before I set off and 10 seconds later have the fork set to how I fancy. Having said that let's see how these new forks stack up when the magazines and more importantly real people get hold of them.

Just looking at the orange website, how the fark does the five gold limited edition with the same maxle swingarm option, is £100 cheaper than the pro, but gets far superior Fox factory fork and shock over the rl's of the pro, but gets elixer 5's and formula hubs... there is no way that some pro2's and tech brakes are worth the extra over the the five gold which has by far the better spec imo. The pricing of some bikes these days is just stupid

YeehaaMcgee

Angry Bird wrote:

[Orange 5...] £1500 for the frame

Holy vaginabiscuits that's just batsh!t insane :shock:

lawman

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

Angry Bird wrote:

[Orange 5...] £1500 for the frame

Holy vaginabiscuits that's just batsh!t insane :shock:

tick all the options on a five se and your looking at the best part of £6k...

supersonic

Dual flow rebound - are two versions, one with fixed deep stroke rebound, adjustable end stroke, the other both externally adjustable. Just more options, some like a slower big hit feel, but fast over the chattery stuff.

YeehaaMcgee

Oh, so it's position dependant? that makes sense.

supersonic

That;'s the one!

craigw99

supersonic wrote:

some like a slower big hit feel, but fast over the chattery stuff.

it want this on my sektors' that came on my boardman but with just rebound and lockout i think im on a hiding to nothing :-(
just thought is that not what motion control is for? not that i think i have that either..

YeehaaMcgee

In this particular context, Sonic was referring to different rebound speeds depending on the size of the impact.
So, if you've just landed a big drop, and bottomed out the suspension, you want it to re-extend a bit slower, so it doesn't throw you off - But if it's a small bump, you want the rebound to be pretty fast, so that the fork is extended again for the next hit.

craigw99

yep thats what i want! can i do it with my fork or do i need a new one? if so a 2011fork sounds better than the new ones

YeehaaMcgee

very few forks do it, and whilst I'd say it's probably of some advantage, it will be hardly noticeable in practice.

leaflite

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

very few forks do it, and whilst I'd say it's probably of some advantage, it will be hardly noticeable in practice.

IIRC all of rockshox's high end 2012 trail forks(reba, revelation) and above(lyric etc) had a version of dual flow where the small hit rebound is externally adjustable at the bottom of the leg and the big hit is factory set. If you want both to be adjustable, you need a boxxer, but this is obviously not suitable for your frame.

TF tuned or similar could probably adjust the factory set big hit on the other forks though.

Jim_Hunter

Dual Air hasn't been dropped, it is an option on eg Revs, the Bikeradar report describes this and if you look at the air pressures chart for 2013 on the SRAM site the solo air/dual air options are listed clearly.

All I ever did with Dual Air was try to get the pressures the same anyway, so solo air welcome here.

YeehaaMcgee

Dual air is stupid. So NUH!

supersonic

I've yet to see any dual air options though. None here:

http://www.sussedoutsuspension.co.uk/20 ... oducts.pdf

The Northern Monkey

Have RS dropped blackbox damping from the reba for 2013?

(searching 'rockshox' and 'supersonic' found thread pretty quick lol, sorry for the resurrection)

RevellRider

The Reba dropped Black Box damping for 2012. The highest level of damper you had was a RLT where as SID's and Revelations went higher

The Northern Monkey

Well that sucks! I always thought the Reba was the xc forks for fat blokes... Heavier, but less flex than a sid but with BB damping.

Moco is good, but BB is superb.

RevellRider

You can get the upgrade to the DNA damper for the 2012 Reba but, I can't see one listed for the 2013. Even more disappointing is the lack of Maxle on the 26" Reba range this year

supersonic

The Reba has the same chassis as the 120mm SID now - the SID gets lighter internals and more choice of dampers. They can be got with 15mm Maxle.

felix.london

The Northern Monkey wrote:

Well that sucks! I always thought the Reba was the xc forks for fat blokes

No, the Reba is the short travel AM fork for slim blokes in the Alps

The Northern Monkey

hehehe...

Whats all this DNA stuff then? I have seen it but no idea what it is?

The difference between the rev team and rev race was really noticeable! BB is well worth the extra ££ IMO.

supersonic

DNA is a lighter damper tube. But in typical RS fashion is more than one version...

http://www.sram.com/rockshox/technologi ... ontrol-dna

Reba doesn't get it ir Reba RL and SID RL are two different dampers.

97th choice

Always found dual air frustrating, brilliant for those who love to fettle their fork at the start of each different trail though.