Something stiffer than Zonda's ?

galatzo
galatzo Posts: 1,295
edited June 2012 in Road buying advice
My Zonda rear wheel flexed quite a lot today (brake rub) for the first time when giving it some beans up a short sharp climb (big ring job) and also a little on the flat if throwing it about a bit when sprinting.
Only a year old and no problems till now.
I have just got a new frame with a massive bb area, is it possible this hi-lights the lack of stiffness I felt today ?
I thought Zonda's were supposed to be pretty stiff, realtive to the price of them. I weigh about 83 kilos but should be taller !
Anyone used Zonda's and experienced the same ?
And if I was to get something new what would you recommend that can handle the stiffness of my new frame ? should that be the problem.
Are Ksyrium Elite much stiffer ? as can't see any other options in my price range.
I'd go used Shamal (cus they'd look as good as the Zonda's do!) or Fulcrum Zero if I saw some and they'd be stiffer.
Budget is upto £400 for new or used.

Cheers
25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.

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  • nunowoolmez
    nunowoolmez Posts: 867
    I run American Classic 420 Aero 3's on my Nanolight & they are superb! They are very similar to the Zonda's (considered the Zonda's before i bought the 420's) in all respects but the Classic's just seemed a better buy & had a lot of really positive reviews. Highly recommended for training, racing, & all day riding. Look sweet too.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,909
    No rear wheel flex on my zondas

    doubt shamals/ zeros or Eurus/ones are stiffer just as stiff but lighter

    are you sure the bearings are snug?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • galatzo
    galatzo Posts: 1,295
    Bikes in to Mercian tomorrow for a couple of things so I'll get them to check bearings over but can't feel any play in them.
    Don't really like ACs style, sorry to say that after you bother to reply nunowoolmez !
    Wife will hit the f-in roof if I tell her I want new wheels, she wasn't at all happy about the frame, so I hope Mercian can find a problem to sort easily (if that makes sense).
    May just have to slacken the rear brake cable off a bit.
    25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,909
    Galatzo wrote:
    Bikes in to Mercian tomorrow for a couple of things so I'll get them to check bearings over but can't feel any play in them.
    Don't really like ACs style, sorry to say that after you bother to reply nunowoolmez !
    Wife will hit the f-in roof if I tell her I want new wheels, she wasn't at all happy about the frame, so I hope Mercian can find a problem to sort easily (if that makes sense).
    May just have to slacken the rear brake cable off a bit.

    yes finding a the problem is solving it... what frame?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • galatzo
    galatzo Posts: 1,295
    :D Isaac Proton :D
    Photos when steerer cut down and new stem on, maybe tomorrow.
    I was gonna wait for a sunny day but god knows when that'll be !
    25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,909
    very stiff frame..I guess you may be right
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    I read a lot of nonsense in this thread... wheels that cannot cope with the stiffness of the frame? If you for the first time experienced lack of lateral stiffness in your wheels might be due to a non drive side spoke (or more) coming loose. I don't see how an allegedly stiffer frame would result in a floppy wheel
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,909
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    I read a lot of nonsense in this thread... wheels that cannot cope with the stiffness of the frame? If you for the first time experienced lack of lateral stiffness in your wheels might be due to a non drive side spoke (or more) coming loose. I don't see how an allegedly stiffer frame would result in a floppy wheel

    could be but you think it would be obvious if there was differential tension in the spokes..out of true etc


    but no doubt something to consider
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • galatzo
    galatzo Posts: 1,295
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    I read a lot of nonsense in this thread... wheels that cannot cope with the stiffness of the frame? If you for the first time experienced lack of lateral stiffness in your wheels might be due to a non drive side spoke (or more) coming loose. I don't see how an allegedly stiffer frame would result in a floppy wheel

    I asked if this was a possibility hence the question mark at the end of the sentence. I don't have your years of experience or beardy wheel building knowledge and just wanted a bit of advice.
    I'll let Mercian sort it.
    Thanks to those who wanted to help.
    25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    Galatzo wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    I read a lot of nonsense in this thread... wheels that cannot cope with the stiffness of the frame? If you for the first time experienced lack of lateral stiffness in your wheels might be due to a non drive side spoke (or more) coming loose. I don't see how an allegedly stiffer frame would result in a floppy wheel

    I asked if this was a possibility hence the question mark at the end of the sentence. I don't have your years of experience or beardy wheel building knowledge and just wanted a bit of advice.
    I'll let Mercian sort it.
    Thanks to those who wanted to help.

    ... no worries, maybe I was a bit patronising, I just wanted to steer the discussion away from what was becoming sicence fiction. It is entirely possible that you feel the wheel different with your new frame... the way we perceive components is something the industry makes a lot of money on. Hopefully it's just a few loose spokes
    left the forum March 2023
  • galatzo
    galatzo Posts: 1,295
    And I had just got up and my F-ing stem hasn't tuned up that was allegedly posted Tuesday !
    Cheers
    25th August 2013 12hrs 37mins 52.3 seconds 238km 5500mtrs FYRM Never again.
  • graham_g
    graham_g Posts: 652
    Staggeringly simple I know, but when I've had this in the past - it's usually because the rear caliper has taken a knock leaning against something and just needs re-centering. I think to some degree you can't expect this sort of thing to disappear if you're a powerful rider; get used to a 'looser' rear brake rather than setting them close to the rim. By far the simplest and cheapest solution, after all 90% of your braking is done with the front brake anyway.

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