Queen enjoys record support

MaxwellBygraves
MaxwellBygraves Posts: 1,353
edited May 2012 in The bottom bracket
Interesting reading from the Guardian today. Support for the Monarchy at a record high.

Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/may/2 ... CMP=twt_fd

Interesting too that many people want to skip Charles altogether, straight to William.

What do you think? Do you support the monarchy?

Unfortunately, if you're a republican like me, a British Republic still seems like a long way off :( oh well, Unknown Unknowns and all that...
"That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college! " - Homer
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Even if you are a republican, the likelihood is that it's VEEERY low down on your priority list.
    _
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    skip em all straight to a republic for me please
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • MaxwellBygraves
    MaxwellBygraves Posts: 1,353
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Even if you are a republican, the likelihood is that it's VEEERY low down on your priority list.

    True, but I saw the above poll results and was particularly disappointed.
    "That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college! " - Homer
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    MaxwellBygraves wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Even if you are a republican, the likelihood is that it's VEEERY low down on your priority list.

    True, but I saw the above poll results and was particularly disappointed.

    Ah wadaya expect? 2 bank holidays in a row? I'm all for that.

    And they had a royal wedding which was handled very well by the royals - also with a bank holiday.

    S'all good in the hood for them.

    Might all change if Charles is King anyway.
    _
  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    propaganda
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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Isn't it annoying for all the republican types when the people aren't voting like they're supposed to? Ah well, as dear old Lenin said, you can't seriously expect to tell the will of the people by marking crosses on a piece of paper.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Think I've said before I'm fairly indifferent on them, if they went I'd still have to go work, trains would still be late, I'd still be paying the same amount for the same public services..it wouldn't change jaff all.

    I do however like to bait people who I know to be republican at times like this and ask why they aren't refusing the extra bank holiday and going into work as normal..it seems principles only go so far :P
  • freddiegrubb
    freddiegrubb Posts: 448
    Why should she not enjoy record support? let me say from the start I'm not a monarchist , but look how many "duties" she performs & when you consider her age,well what can you say? One thing is certain, very few on this forum will be capable of such stamina at the same age. And before anyone starts don't give us the soft life that she's had twaddle, just don't get me started on charlie & air miles andy. I'll take a pill now & have a lie down.
  • Smokin Joe
    Smokin Joe Posts: 2,706
    The beauty of the Monarchy is that you have a head of state with absolutely no power over the lives of the population. Replace the monarch with an elected head and you'd end up with some interfering old tosser like Livingstone who'd make everyone's lives a misery and take ten times as much money to run his office.

    Democracy is alright but you can have too much of it.
  • eede
    eede Posts: 58
    MaxwellBygraves wrote:
    Interesting too that many people want to skip Charles altogether, straight to William.

    Well ,that's the Monarchy for you, like it or not, you're stuck with who was born first, plonker or not. It ain't a popularity contest.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    eede wrote:
    MaxwellBygraves wrote:
    Interesting too that many people want to skip Charles altogether, straight to William.

    Well ,that's the Monarchy for you, like it or not, you're stuck with who was born first, plonker or not. It ain't a popularity contest.

    Depends how the monarchy decides to do it. Charles could, if he had some sense, hand it straight to Bill.

    Unlikely to happen though.
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  • laurentian
    laurentian Posts: 2,568
    Smokin Joe wrote:
    The beauty of the Monarchy is that you have a head of state with absolutely no power over the lives of the population. Replace the monarch with an elected head and you'd end up with some interfering old tosser like Livingstone who'd make everyone's lives a misery and take ten times as much money to run his office.

    Democracy is alright but you can have too much of it.

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  • CiB
    CiB Posts: 6,098
    laurentian wrote:
    Smokin Joe wrote:
    The beauty of the Monarchy is that you have a head of state with absolutely no power over the lives of the population. Replace the monarch with an elected head and you'd end up with some interfering old tosser like Livingstone who'd make everyone's lives a misery and take ten times as much money to run his office.

    Democracy is alright but you can have too much of it.

    This
    +..

    This really is the crux of it. The choice between a HoS that wields zero power and affects my life by actually no % whatsoever, or a power-hungry egomaniac (Blair anyone?) who would insist that having been made president he must live up to that role; it's a no brainer. Monarchy it is, and as Charles is the next incumbent it's his duty to take it on. I fully expect him to make a good job of it.

    As a bonus I fully support the whole shooting match anyway and will be down in London over the celebratory weekend to join in the fun and be part of it. Give us a wave if you see us.
  • DavidBelcher
    DavidBelcher Posts: 2,684
    Smokin Joe wrote:
    The beauty of the Monarchy is that you have a head of state with absolutely no power over the lives of the population. Replace the monarch with an elected head and you'd end up with some interfering old tosser like Livingstone who'd make everyone's lives a misery and take ten times as much money to run his office.

    Democracy is alright but you can have too much of it.

    I recently posted on another forum in a thread on the pros and cons of monarchy, quoting the old Denis Healey chestnut about undermining the case for the UK being a republic in just two words: "President Thatcher". 'Nuff said.

    Edit: Just seen CiB's post - "President Blair" doesn't bear thinking about either.

    David
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  • fast as fupp
    fast as fupp Posts: 2,277
    DavidBelcher wrote:
    Smokin Joe wrote:
    The beauty of the Monarchy is that you have a head of state with absolutely no power over the lives of the population. Replace the monarch with an elected head and you'd end up with some interfering old tosser like Livingstone who'd make everyone's lives a misery and take ten times as much money to run his office.

    Democracy is alright but you can have too much of it.

    I recently posted on another forum in a thread on the pros and cons of monarchy, quoting the old Denis Healey chestnut about undermining the case for the UK being a republic in just two words: "President Thatcher". 'Nuff said.

    Edit: Just seen CiB's post - "President Blair" doesn't bear thinking about either.

    David

    you seem to be confusing the role of 'president' and 'prime minister'- a british president could for example have a similar role as the german president i.e. largely ceremonial.
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  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    wow talk about 'mind forged manacles' - I guess some people just like living on their knees. shame really

    now if she dressed like this

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  • DavidBelcher
    DavidBelcher Posts: 2,684
    fast as fupp wrote:
    DavidBelcher wrote:
    Smokin Joe wrote:
    The beauty of the Monarchy is that you have a head of state with absolutely no power over the lives of the population. Replace the monarch with an elected head and you'd end up with some interfering old tosser like Livingstone who'd make everyone's lives a misery and take ten times as much money to run his office.

    Democracy is alright but you can have too much of it.

    I recently posted on another forum in a thread on the pros and cons of monarchy, quoting the old Denis Healey chestnut about undermining the case for the UK being a republic in just two words: "President Thatcher". 'Nuff said.

    Edit: Just seen CiB's post - "President Blair" doesn't bear thinking about either.

    David

    you seem to be confusing the role of 'president' and 'prime minister'- a british president could for example have a similar role as the german president i.e. largely ceremonial.

    Fair point I guess - the President of the Irish Republic is similarly a largely ceremonial post.

    David
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  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    fast as fupp wrote:
    you seem to be confusing the role of 'president' and 'prime minister'- a british president could for example have a similar role as the german president i.e. largely ceremonial.

    Then it would be president Mr Blobby - if it's purely ceremonial, the money wasted on elections that no-one would care about unless they were on saturday evenings and involved annoying judges and people with "talent", is pointless - might aswell waste it on a monarchy and at least you're much less likely to have many embarrassments from your head of state.
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  • Cressers
    Cressers Posts: 1,329
    Ask the right question of the right people and you'll get the answer you wanted to hear.

    Now if you were to ask 'Should a head of state be elected or have the position because their parent had it? you may get a completely different response.
  • MaxwellBygraves
    MaxwellBygraves Posts: 1,353
    Well, the campaign group 'Republic' have their proposal on their website: http://www.republic.org.uk/What%20we%20 ... /index.php
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  • MaxwellBygraves
    MaxwellBygraves Posts: 1,353
    Cressers wrote:
    Ask the right question of the right people and you'll get the answer you wanted to hear.

    Now if you were to ask 'Should a head of state be elected or have the position because their parent had it? you may get a completely different response.

    + lots

    Likewise, 'should people have to earn, work for and be held accountable by power and wealth, or should it be inherited?'
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  • MattC59
    MattC59 Posts: 5,408
    Gawd bless 'er royal madge !

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  • CiB
    CiB Posts: 6,098
    One big benefit of a constitutional monarchy (as opposed to an elected president) is that as no-one voted for her, no-one voted against her. Bear with me. I'm quite sure there are a a handful of people in the country who throw jam-jars at their tv set when Mr Cameron appears upon it to talk to us. {tough shite - you had your go before he pitched up]. Equally some of us had to put up with blair and then - thank f...k he's gone - Broon stepped in. Just when you though it couldn't get worse, it did. Point being that whoever's elected it'll be with a minority mandate, or in the case of a two horse race a small majority in most cases (Boris v Ken...). Where the incumbent is there by tradition & some gloriously unsuitable means of deciding on a HoS in the modern world, it means no-one has to put up with some D-lister that the TOWIE watchers & knuckle-draggers assume is the best candidate; equally you don't have to put up with Hugh Huntingdon-Smythe-Beaumont Fourth Earl Of Borcetshire (my preferred candidate to sit at the top table).

    Lie someone said, democracy is a good thing but you can have to much of it, and it's not the best way of identifying the best man for the job.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    MaxwellBygraves wrote:
    Likewise, 'should people have to earn, work for and be held accountable by power and wealth, or should it be inherited?'
    Quite right. I hope you, too, will be leaving everything to the state in your will.
  • MaxwellBygraves
    MaxwellBygraves Posts: 1,353
    bompington wrote:
    MaxwellBygraves wrote:
    Likewise, 'should people have to earn, work for and be held accountable by power and wealth, or should it be inherited?'
    Quite right. I hope you, too, will be leaving everything to the state in your will.

    Yes!

    I firmly believe inheritance should be capped at approx. £10K. Enough to buy a top end bicycle. :wink:
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  • BillyMansell
    BillyMansell Posts: 817
    Well, for my charitable work I've got my invite to a royal jubilee event (can't say any more for security reasons - wall have ears don't you know) where I could meet queenie.

    Am I bothered? not really. It will impress some but I'm thinking of it as a nice day out for free (as long as my travel and parking can be paid for). If I did meet her I'd love to take the opportunity to have a go at her about her government's attitude towards society's most vulnerable but suspect I may find myself out on my ear if I did.
  • MaxwellBygraves
    MaxwellBygraves Posts: 1,353
    Good article in Guardian today for republicans: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/may/2 ... CMP=twt_fd
    "That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college! " - Homer
  • Tom Dean
    Tom Dean Posts: 1,723
    jibberjim wrote:
    might aswell waste it on a monarchy and at least you're much less likely to have many embarrassments from your head of state.

    You know we get Charles next, right?
  • Tom Dean
    Tom Dean Posts: 1,723
    MaxwellBygraves wrote:
    Good article in Guardian today for republicans: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/may/2 ... CMP=twt_fd

    erm, isn't that the article that prompted the thread?
  • Tom Dean
    Tom Dean Posts: 1,723
    CiB wrote:
    Where the incumbent is there by tradition & some gloriously unsuitable means of deciding on a HoS in the modern world, it means no-one has to put up with some D-lister that the TOWIE watchers & knuckle-draggers assume is the best candidate; equally you don't have to put up with Hugh Huntingdon-Smythe-Beaumont Fourth Earl Of Borcetshire (my preferred candidate to sit at the top table).

    Lie someone said, democracy is a good thing but you can have to much of it, and it's not the best way of identifying the best man for the job.

    Part in bold is exactly what we have got FFS

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