Am I thick

steelie600
steelie600 Posts: 519
edited May 2012 in MTB workshop & tech
or am I remembering correctly (eh nearly had ya going there!! LOL)

Shimano derailleurs, are inter compatible with other levels of shimano kit, IE SLX rear mech will work on a deore cassette, a alivio mech on a saint cassette, xtr shifters on acera mechs etc

Im pretty sure back in the day it was all interchangeable, is this still the case?? Reason being is when my groupset finally arrives from the hong kong china man, im thinking junk the acera mechs and fit something a bit better. or is this not really needed and the acera stuff absolutely fine??

Also whats so much better with say the xtr stuff that it warrants such a huge pricetag over the standard deore??
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  • Twelly
    Twelly Posts: 1,437
    steelie600 wrote:
    Also whats so much better with say the xtr stuff that it warrants such a huge pricetag over the standard deore??

    Lighter, more accurate shifting, more reliable, plus with the latest XTR stuff I'm pretty sure it has Shimano's new clutch thing which tensions the chain properly.

    But to be honest, they all do the same job. You could have Alivio or XTR but as long as it changes gear when you click the button whats the problem?
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  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    This is it see. Ive been out of the cycling bit for 20 years and the way its moved on is unreal! They didnt even have Vee's when I last had a bike!! (or they might have just been coming out) and I had an oval crank deore system! (remember them!)

    But in essence its all still inter changeable, cool good to know for upgrades and blinging out. But is the Acera system fit for purpose??

    Oh and another one is there any advantage in using a Hollowtech crank over an octalink one?? Not entirely sure on what bearings are in the octalink, but ive im remembering right the hollowtech is proper sealed units like a head set?
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  • bennett_346
    bennett_346 Posts: 5,029
    steelie600 wrote:
    This is it see. Ive been out of the cycling bit for 20 years and the way its moved on is unreal! They didnt even have Vee's when I last had a bike!! (or they might have just been coming out) and I had an oval crank deore system! (remember them!)

    But in essence its all still inter changeable, cool good to know for upgrades and blinging out. But is the Acera system fit for purpose??

    I use it on two bikes and it's fine, mate of mine uses it on his mtb and it's fine. It's nothing special.

    Oh and another one is there any advantage in using a Hollowtech crank over an octalink one?? Not entirely sure on what bearings are in the octalink, but ive im remembering right the hollowtech is proper sealed units like a head set?

    Hollowtech is lighter, stiffer and less durable in my experience...
  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    less durable in what way?? I take it you mean the bearings yeah?
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  • Chunkers1980
    Chunkers1980 Posts: 8,035
    Yes, there's an argument that dirt can get in easier than the sealed cartridge units of old. But the benefits out weigh the cOst IMO
  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    Ahh reet, im with ya!! Noted and digested. Cheers again me old fruits!
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    Ralph
  • Chunkers1980
    Chunkers1980 Posts: 8,035
    On your other jibberings, I'd say get a Deore break group, it's amazing value. Yes HTII works the same inprincaple ad the ahead system
  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    Chunkers1980 wrote:
    On your other jibberings, I'd say get a Deore break group, it's amazing value.

    Got some shiney new 446's on the way (I think theyre deore but not 100%) will do for now, want saints as and when I find a bargain Ive found cheap saint calipers, levers is a different matter
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  • Twelly
    Twelly Posts: 1,437
    steelie600 wrote:
    Chunkers1980 wrote:
    On your other jibberings, I'd say get a Deore break group, it's amazing value.

    Got some shiney new 446's on the way (I think theyre deore but not 100%) will do for now, want saints as and when I find a bargain Ive found cheap saint calipers, levers is a different matter

    Aren't Saint brakes hideously powerful? From looking at your build thread I would say you will be fine with the 446's and Saint's would just be total overkill. Better to put the money into something else maybe?
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  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    BUT BUT BUT BUT

    They look cool as buggery!!

    I know what you mean TS, ive not even built the bugger and im thinking of upgrades LOL. And tbf I think the 446's will be fine too, I just love the look of the 4 pot saints!

    Must remember to take my medication to control my urges
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  • YeehaaMcgee
    YeehaaMcgee Posts: 5,740
    I'd go for the Saints, or the NEW (everybody's still getting the old ones) XTs or XTRs. He's a big guy, so why not get the most powerful brakes available?
    Which is interesting, because Sonic has some charts somewhere that shows that the XTRs (XTM785s weren't available at the time) are actually significantly more powerful than the Saints.
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    steelie600 wrote:

    Shimano derailleurs, are inter compatible with other levels of shimano kit, IE SLX rear mech will work on a deore cassette, a alivio mech on a saint cassette, xtr shifters on acera mechs etc?


    As long as you don't get any 10spd stuff there is no issues.

    Try reading the FAQs.
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  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    cheers nick, my hubs wont take a ten cog cassette anyhoo

    and yeah sorry, never thought to look at faq. will have a read now
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    steelie600 wrote:
    cheers nick, my hubs wont take a ten cog cassette anyhoo

    and yeah sorry, never thought to look at faq. will have a read now
    They will actually.

    But with people mentioning SLX and XTR etc they are now mainly 10spd and the rear mechs ar no compatible with less due to different cable pulls.
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  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    OOO now that is interesting, I thought the quando hubs were 7-9?? well all the info ive found seems to point that way
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    steelie600 wrote:
    OOO now that is interesting, I thought the quando hubs were 7-9?? well all the info ive found seems to point that way
    7 is 7 only.
    8/9/10 are all the same other than the shimano 10spd only hubs (road only).
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  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    new avatar for ya!! I am not worthy!!

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  • Twelly
    Twelly Posts: 1,437
    YeehaaMcgee wrote:
    I'd go for the Saints, or the NEW (everybody's still getting the old ones) XTs or XTRs. He's a big guy, so why not get the most powerful brakes available?

    I know your game.... you just want another model of brake for your Crudbraketestatthepubathon

    But yeah fair enough I remember reading somewhere that you are 20st+ Steelie so you probably would benefit from the extra beef on the Saint's
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  • 386ka
    386ka Posts: 479
    TwellySmat wrote:
    YeehaaMcgee wrote:
    I'd go for the Saints, or the NEW (everybody's still getting the old ones) XTs or XTRs. He's a big guy, so why not get the most powerful brakes available?

    I know your game.... you just want another model of brake for your Crudbraketestatthepubathon

    But yeah fair enough I remember reading somewhere that you are 20st+ Steelie so you probably would benefit from the extra beef on the Saint's
    From Ice Tech rotors too then :)
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  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    Nah the ice techs look like some thing from halfords chav department (ripspeed) Much prefer the look of a nice round perforated disc with plenty of braking surface. And defo dont like the hope saw discs MINGING!!

    Id love some floating discs to make it look reet bo like, but aint buying Saws and defo not paying hopes prices for the DH discs!
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  • Twelly
    Twelly Posts: 1,437
    Cheap floating discs
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  • 386ka
    386ka Posts: 479
    steelie600 wrote:
    Nah the ice techs look like some thing from halfords chav department (ripspeed) Much prefer the look of a nice round perforated disc with plenty of braking surface. And defo dont like the hope saw discs MINGING!!

    Id love some floating discs to make it look reet bo like, but aint buying Saws and defo not paying hopes prices for the DH discs!
    Formula floating rotors then? Expensive, look good, and they have big braking surface :D

    PS, I wouldn't underestimate the Ice Techs..
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  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    Im not underestimating them and dont doubt the power, just think they look like a chimpanzee's afterbirth

    And TS never thought about Superstar tbh! Must resist.......... Take my credit card away from me.......................DOH!
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  • Twelly
    Twelly Posts: 1,437
    You could probably bling your build with one order from superstar. Seat clamp, disks, bar, grips for less than £100
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  • steelie600
    steelie600 Posts: 519
    Already got dmr v8's (white) Hope seat clamp (black) Zoom DH riser bars 700mm (White with quite a cool logo on em(see stem)) and one23 dual compound gel grips(white an clear) on the way should been here today tbh. But the post offive are a bunch of front bottoms so theyll probably come monday when im out
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