Sagan for the Tour
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I wouldn't bet against you being right first time.0
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I look forward to it, be good to see him going up against the best sprinters. Even if he can't beat Cavendish/Greipel in a straight up sprint he could conceivably do a Hushovd and gain points where you wouldn't normally expect a sprinter to.
Not that you'll care either way though Iain."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
Oh come on, everyone knows that Mark Cavendish is going to win the Green jersey, pull out of the race a week before it ends and win the Olympic Road Race!
But wouldn't Sagan be better going for the Olympics? He can climb a bit and has a good sprint. Not sure how strong his team might be, but think he'd have a better chance at winning that.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Oh come on, everyone knows that Mark Cavendish is going to win the Green jersey, pull out of the race a week before it ends and win the Olympic Road Race!
But wouldn't Sagan be better going for the Olympics? He can climb a bit and has a good sprint. Not sure how strong his team might be, but think he'd have a better chance at winning that.
Chipper innit?0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:
Chipper innit?
Good lad, you've learnt well.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
But then isn't the Green Jersey a novelty competition? Tough choice for Sagan, chips or novelty!0
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greasedscotsman wrote:But then isn't the Green Jersey a novelty competition? Tough choice for Sagan, chips or novelty!
He's got a point y'know.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:But then isn't the Green Jersey a novelty competition? Tough choice for Sagan, chips or novelty!
Indeed. What he wants to do is win some stuff that's got some value, like tougher stages on the Tour that aren't mountain stages. They have more value than the novelty jersey.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Oh come on, everyone knows that Mark Cavendish is going to win the Green jersey, pull out of the race a week before it ends and win the Olympic Road Race!
Wear the green jersey, you mean. He can't win it if he's not there.
Can't see sagan Sagan sprinting well enough in TdF company. It would make it even more of a novelty jersey if he were to win it by picking up intermediate sprints and doing OK of the tougher stages. Nice if the winner actually bags a stage or two!0 -
inseine wrote:Wear the green jersey, you mean. He can't win it if he's not there.
Err, yeah. I was joking!
inseine wrote:It would make it even more of a novelty jersey if he were to win it by picking up intermediate sprints and doing OK of the tougher stages. Nice if the winner actually bags a stage or two!
Why? It's not a competition for who's won the most stages.0 -
Sagan only wins chippers, doesn't he?0
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Why? It's not a competition for who's won the most stages
No, non of the jerseys is, but it's still nice if the winners win a stage or two. Just seems more so with the 'sprinters' jersey. This was especially true when cav get 5 but missed out on green.0 -
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greasedscotsman wrote:
But wouldn't Sagan be better going for the Olympics? He can climb a bit and has a good sprint. Not sure how strong his team might be, but think he'd have a better chance at winning that.
In team terms, Liquigas >>> Slovak Olympic squad.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0 -
LangerDan wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:
But wouldn't Sagan be better going for the Olympics? He can climb a bit and has a good sprint. Not sure how strong his team might be, but think he'd have a better chance at winning that.
In team terms, Liquigas >>> Any Olympic squad & pretty much any World Tour team.
FTFY.0 -
inseine wrote:No, non of the jerseys is, but it's still nice if the winners win a stage or two. Just seems more so with the 'sprinters' jersey. This was especially true when cav get 5 but missed out on green.
OK, fair enough. But then I would argue that it's just as nice if someone wins thsi jersey by picking up intermediate sprints on mountain stages like Hushovd did in 2009 or just consistancy throughout the entire race, like Kelly in 1989 or Jalabert in 1995. It's like a non climber winning a mountain stage.0 -
"There's no doubt that Richard is a great rider but he's only the best climber in this Tour on paper. The best climber really is Lance Armstrong. He [Virenque] takes points everywhere, especially on the middling climbs. Me, I focussed on the big cols. I was proud of my record. I shared it with my idol, Federico Bahamontes."
This is what Van Impe said about Virenque. He wasn't the best climber for 7 years, but i suppose he targeted it and was good at what he did.0 -
inseine wrote:"There's no doubt that Richard is a great rider but he's only the best climber in this Tour on paper. The best climber really is Lance Armstrong. He [Virenque] takes points everywhere, especially on the middling climbs. Me, I focussed on the big cols. I was proud of my record. I shared it with my idol, Federico Bahamontes."
This is what Van Impe said about Virenque. He wasn't the best climber for 7 years, but i suppose he targeted it and was good at what he did.
That just sounds like sour grapes from Van Impe. And if I'm honest, I was impressed with how Jalabert won the KoM in 02, don't think Van Impe would be impressed with that either!0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:
That just sounds like sour grapes from Van Impe. And if I'm honest, I was impressed with how Jalabert won the KoM in 02, don't think Van Impe would be impressed with that either!
I was more suspicious than impressed.0 -
Personally, I think the green jersey should for the most consistent finisher. None of this intermediate sprint, or flat stages scoring more, nonsense.
But then, I also think that there should be intermediate sprints strategically placed with points going to the most aggressive rider. I think the most aggressive rider jersey would be one that someone like Chavanel or Hoogerland would wear with pride.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:
But then, I also think that there should be intermediate sprints strategically placed with points going to the most aggressive rider. I think the most aggressive rider jersey would be one that someone like Chavanel or Hoogerland would wear with pride.
That's a nice idea, and there are already awards for the most aggressive rider on the day and across the race. I don't think you could make it an official classification though as the way it's decided is based on opinion, rather than anything factual."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
[quotePersonally, I think the green jersey should for the most consistent finisher. None of this intermediate sprint, or flat stages scoring more, nonsense.
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Is that the yellow jersey!
As long as we don't go back to that silly combined jersey (although I did buy one :oops: )0 -
They do this in the Giro and it's usually won by a GC rider who had paid absolutely no special.attention to the jersey. Personally, I rather see a proper competition instead of having it treated as an after thought.TheBigBean wrote:Personally, I think the green jersey should for the most consistent finisher. None of this intermediate sprint, or flat stages scoring more, nonsense.Twitter: @RichN950 -
great to see Sagan at the tour, do wonder if in a few years he could become a GC rider.
I'd rather have the green jersey as it is at the moment with people actually targeting in than something that gets given to a GC contender as an afterthought0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:LangerDan wrote:greasedscotsman wrote:
But wouldn't Sagan be better going for the Olympics? He can climb a bit and has a good sprint. Not sure how strong his team might be, but think he'd have a better chance at winning that.
In team terms, Liquigas >>> Any Olympic squad & pretty much any World Tour team.
FTFY.
Not in the sprints they ain't.0 -
Sagan's going to win the green, polka dot, yellow and white jersey. After all, he's the new new new new new new new Merckx, right?point your handlebars towards the heavens and sweat like you're in hell0
