Scott Spark 35 2011 With Wrong Fox Forks ??

Creatz

Hi everyone.

Today i bought a Scott Spark 35 2011 (second hand),this bike is suppose to come with Rock shox Reba 120mm, 1 1/8".
Mine came with Fox Forks 32 140mm,but when i spoke to hargrove cycles who looked at it
today,they said the forks are tapered and won't fit my bike as its meant to be 1 1/8" straight through and i have the wrong travel on them.

So i spoke to three different cycles shops about changing them and they said, if it was tapered you wouldn't get them in there with a head set ??? but they are in ??
pictures below

is it tapered ?









Bike spec from Factory

The Scott Spark 35 2011 Features are:

Frame: Spark Carbon Mainframe IMP technology / HMF net / integr. BB 6061 Alloy Custom Butted Swingarm with replaceable hanger / sealed aircraft bearings / 110mm rear travel / optimised SLS kinematic

Rear Shock: DT Swiss M210 / Air / reb. Reb. with Lockout

Fork: Rock Shox Reba RL / Air spring Motion control / Lockout /reb. A. 120mm travel

Headset: Ritchey Super Plus 1 1/8 inch semi integrated 44/50mm

Stem: Scott Comp oversize 31.8mm 1-1/8 inch / 6 degree angle

Speed: 30

Front Mech: Shimano SLX FC-M661-10 / 34.9mm clamp

Rear Mech: SRAM X9 long cage

Chainset: Shimano FC-M552 2-piece Design 42Ax32Ax24T

Bottom Bracket: Shimano SM-BB71-41A / shell 41x89.5mm

Cassette: SRAM PG 1050 12-36 T

Chain: SRAM PC 1031

Front Brake: Avid Elixir 5 185mm Rotor

Rear Brake: Avid Elixir 5 160mm Rotor

Front Hub: DT Swiss XR30 Disc IT

Rear Hub: DT Swiss XR30 Disc IT

Tyres: Schwalbe Rocket Ron 26 x 2.25 / 67EPI Kevlar Bead Performance Series Front Schwalbe Rocket Ron 26 x 2.25 / 67EPI Kevlar Bead Performance Series Rear

Seatpost: Scott RC 03-60 / 34.9mm


any helps would be brilliant

Paul

Chunkers1980

Think hargroves mean the previous owner fitted new forks . Frame only meant for 120mms?

Creatz

yes mate,but they said the forks was tapered ??? and mine should be 1,1/8" straight
i know the previous owner changed the forks as the bike should look like this from factory

http://www.westbrookcycles.co.uk/bikes- ... 011-p81420

nicklouse

That does not look like they are fitted.

Take them off and lets see the bottom of the head tube.

386ka

Is that the bottom cartridge bearing on the picture with the forks fitted?! Ps I think you can fit them with semi integrated 1 1/8 to 1 1/2 external bottom headset.

Your Headset

Based on the information you have provided, your headset falls within the tapered standard and requires:

Top Headset:

SHIS:ZS44 - 1-1/8" ZeroStack (ZS) Threadless

Bottom Headset:

SHIS:EC44/40 - 1-1/8" ZeroStack to 1.5" Traditional Conversion

This is the result using the cane creek headset fit finder

Creatz

Creatz

and the bits holding it all together

nicklouse

Looks like you are missing something.

As from your pics I can't see the lower bearing fitting into the head tube.

It looks like the frame is just resting on the Bering in your first set and I see no cup in the second set.

Time to do some measureing and compare to the headset standards.

386ka

Wow, how did someone sold it like that?!
It is tapered. And your frame headset is standard 1 1/8. But, before changing the forks, I would suggest trying the bottom headset I suggested above, or some equivalent of it.

Creatz

nicklouse wrote:

Looks like you are missing something.

As from your pics I can't see the lower bearing fitting into the head tube.

It looks like the frame is just resting on the Bering in your first set and I see no cup in the second set.

Time to do some measureing and compare to the headset standards.

Everything i have to hold the forks in place is in the picture above your post.

nicklouse

Creatz wrote:

nicklouse wrote:

Looks like you are missing something.

As from your pics I can't see the lower bearing fitting into the head tube.

It looks like the frame is just resting on the Bering in your first set and I see no cup in the second set.

Time to do some measureing and compare to the headset standards.

Everything i have to hold the forks in place is in the picture above your post.

Yes but I can not see the lower bearing fitting in the frame?

Does it?

I think you are missing the lower cup.

386ka

nicklouse wrote:

Creatz wrote:

nicklouse wrote:

Looks like you are missing something.

As from your pics I can't see the lower bearing fitting into the head tube.

It looks like the frame is just resting on the Bering in your first set and I see no cup in the second set.

Time to do some measureing and compare to the headset standards.

Everything i have to hold the forks in place is in the picture above your post.

Yes but I can not see the lower bearing fitting in the frame?

Does it?

I think you are missing the lower cup.

As with the pictures in the first post, the forks are mounted without the lower cup.

The OP needs a new internal 1 1/8 to external 1 1/5 lower headset.

Creatz

and i think thats the reason the forks fit.
if there was a lower cup bearing then the tapered forks would not fit ?

so i think the advice from hargroves is correct that they are the wrong forks
and the advice from westbrook and evans are also correct that the tapered wold not fit with the headset (lower bearing) installed,hence why its not there ?

what do ya think ?

sorry but I'm not massively clued up when it comes to installing or knowing how many bearings there should be.

the big silver ring in the picture came off the bottom of the forks, just to add

386ka

The lower bearing is installed, it's the "big silver ring". The cup is another thing. The forks ATM DO NOT fit, even if they seem to be "put through the frame".
Really, they are the wrong forks for the frame. But, and I will say this for the last time, I would recommend, before changing the forks, to try the suggested lower headset above. It may fit, it may not, but it's cheaper than replacing forks. Trying out a headset if your LBS has one like stated, is the best option.

Also, read some info on Sheldon Brown's pages or Park Tools for headset standards. Cheers!

Creatz

is this not the lower cup bearing ? (the one on the right)

Creatz

well i was planning on buying some second hand fox forks and selling these ones on.

Creatz

i'm with you now, the lower INTERNAL bearing is missing from inside the frame ? but i have the external one.
but if the internal bearing was fitted then the forks would not go through then.

now i see what people are saying

Creatz

would this work

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/can ... ry=headset

nicklouse

Creatz wrote:

is this not the lower cup bearing ? (the one on the right)

No that is just a bearing and should either fit in the frame or in a cup pressed into the frame.

Creatz

i have nothing that pushes into the frame to act as an internal steering bearing

supersonic

You meant the headset cup (and some bikes don't even have these, these push straight into the headtube.).

There is no lower cup fitted to the frame. And if it was, the bearing wouldn't fit anway as intended.

However a 1.5 external cup designed for a 44mm Zerostack headtube will work.

nicklouse

Creatz wrote:

i have nothing that pushes into the frame to act as an internal steering bearing

Yes, that is what I have been saying all the time.

You need to sort out a lower bearing assy.
Like I said get measuring and compare with the info on the headset standards.

The lower headset you linked to might work. But it may also not. You need to do some measureing.

You do have enough spacers on the top.

nicklouse

supersonic wrote:

However a 1.5 external cup designed for a 44mm Zerostack headtube will work.

only if there is enough insertion depth. Which there may not be.

Creatz

you're all stars, thank you for taking the time to reply, and the patience as i get my head around how
the bearings and the sizes fit into place with headsets.

I'm going to try a conversion kit before i sell the forks and buy some new ones

cooldad

All the various bits. You're missing a few. Personally I'd be a bit pissed off with the seller. The bike is unrideable as it stands.

cooldad

Except the cups (head tube races in the pic above) would look something like this and fit inside and flush with the headtube.

andyrm

Here's what you need:

http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=539