Stans rims, how the hell do you get tyres on?

absv

Just got a pair of the Superstar stans rims however I'm currently using schrader tubes so they don't fit through the outer hole in the rim. If I drill the hole out will this stop me from going tubeless in the future as the stans universal valves all seem to be presta types.

While I'm here does anyone know if the superstar rim tape that comes on the wheels can be used instead of the stans yellow tape?

On a plus side my new Rebas went on fine (I hope as I haven't test rode them!)

Cheers

craker

Inner tubes are cheap. Just get some presta valved tubes.

warpcow

absv wrote:

Just got a pair of the Superstar stans rims however I'm currently using schrader tubes so they don't fit through the outer hole in the rim. If I drill the hole out will this stop me from going tubeless in the future as the stans universal valves all seem to be presta types

As above. Unless you have a really, really, really good reason for being averse to presta valves, then drilling is an unnecessary and possibly dangerous way of saving a a tenner, at most.

While I'm here does anyone know if the superstar rim tape that comes on the wheels can be used instead of the stans yellow tape?

No it can't, if you mean to run tubeless.

absv

Cheers guys. Got some new inner tubes but there's no way I can get the rear tyre on! The front took at least 30 mins to get on the rim and the back just won't go! I'm trying to put Kenda Nevegal's on but I tried some Specialized Fast Trak too and they're equally as tight!

Any ideas??.

cat_with_no_tail

Get some soapy water on a sponge and run it around the bead of the tyre and the rim.

And if you've not got some already, get some decent tyre levers.

lawman

put the superstar rim tape straight in the bin, its utter shite. few wraps of decent electrical tape and they go on alot easier.

sanchez89

when mounting the tyre, do 1 bead at a time, obviously, but make sure it sits in the recessed channel in the middle of the rim.

absv

Cheers guys, I was using park tools tyre levers. I've managed to get the Specialized tyre on the back as there is no way the Kenda is going to go on! Will get some stans tape soon and try tubeless as there's no hope of me being able to get the tyre back on the rim if I have a puncture when out riding!

I'm surprised you lot didn't hear my language from where you are

cat_with_no_tail

soapy water FTW! Get on it!

I've got the parktools levers too. Whilst it's hard to get excited about tyre levers, they are exceptional. Seem to be made of unobtanium or something*, they just will not break.


*I suspect they're actually made of some sort of plastic/resin rather than unobtanium really.

blister pus

You don't argue with them parktools levers they mean business.

absv

Cat With No Tail wrote:

soapy water FTW! Get on it!

I've got the parktools levers too. Whilst it's hard to get excited about tyre levers, they are exceptional. Seem to be made of unobtanium or something*, they just will not break.


*I suspect they're actually made of some sort of plastic/resin rather than unobtanium really.

I'm surprised they didn't snap the amount of pressure I was putting on them! I'll get some better rim tape and then try to get that Nevegal on the rear :twisted:

absv

lawman wrote:

put the superstar rim tape straight in the bin, its utter shite. few wraps of decent electrical tape and they go on alot easier.

Have you got Crests Lawman? If so what tyres are you running. I've just been reading up on tyre choices and it seems like very few will fit 'easily'. My worry is that although I may be able to get the tyres on at home I'll have no hope out in the wilds!!! I'm 50/50 sending the rims back for some Mavics at the moment!

lawman

absv wrote:

lawman wrote:

put the superstar rim tape straight in the bin, its utter shite. few wraps of decent electrical tape and they go on alot easier.

Have you got Crests Lawman? If so what tyres are you running. I've just been reading up on tyre choices and it seems like very few will fit 'easily'. My worry is that although I may be able to get the tyres on at home I'll have no hope out in the wilds!!! I'm 50/50 sending the rims back for some Mavics at the moment!

yep I have two sets, both running Schwalbe Nobby Nics, and they were fairly easy to put on, its still not easy and you need a decent pair of tyre levers, but its much, much easier than it was with the shitty superstar stuff, the one product I've ever had from superstar which is utter crap!

YeehaaMcgee

absv wrote:

Cat With No Tail wrote:

soapy water FTW! Get on it!

I've got the parktools levers too. Whilst it's hard to get excited about tyre levers, they are exceptional. Seem to be made of unobtanium or something*, they just will not break.


*I suspect they're actually made of some sort of plastic/resin rather than unobtanium really.

I'm surprised they didn't snap the amount of pressure I was putting on them! I'll get some better rim tape and then try to get that Nevegal on the rear :twisted:

If you're using that much force, then something must me amiss.
Are you putting the bead of the tyre in the central well of the rim? Unless you do that, it always will be a nightmare.
The diameter of the rim is smaller in the central well, which is why tyre fitting works (tyres don't, or shouldn't, stretch)

cooldad

Get the bead started in the well, start at the top and work the tyre down with your palms.

absv

YeehaaMcgee wrote:

absv wrote:

Cat With No Tail wrote:

soapy water FTW! Get on it!

I've got the parktools levers too. Whilst it's hard to get excited about tyre levers, they are exceptional. Seem to be made of unobtanium or something*, they just will not break.


*I suspect they're actually made of some sort of plastic/resin rather than unobtanium really.

I'm surprised they didn't snap the amount of pressure I was putting on them! I'll get some better rim tape and then try to get that Nevegal on the rear :twisted:

If you're using that much force, then something must me amiss.
Are you putting the bead of the tyre in the central well of the rim? Unless you do that, it always will be a nightmare.
The diameter of the rim is smaller in the central well, which is why tyre fitting works (tyres don't, or shouldn't, stretch)

Due to the Superstar tape being in the way it's difficult to get the bead in the centre well, if I remove that tape I can't return them but if I don't it's a sod to get on and I'm not 100% happy. Catch 22 really. I've been reading that the 2012 Schwalabe tyres are slightly smaller so they're a bugger to fit onto the Crestas now too. I don't mind it being a difficult job at home but at the moment it's a two man job taking about 20mins to get each tyre on!

Normally I'd just try some new tyres but Ive just bought these wheels, cassette changing tools and a set of Rebas so I fear I'd be homeless if I spent anymore on the bike for a bit

sanchez89

the tape is making it hard?? blimey how thick is the tape?

the tape is sticky so you should be able to reapply it after you peel it off. dont worry about that tiger.

yes 2011/2012 schwalbes are a very tight fit on crests. 2010 and older tyres are fine though.

i did have a specialized purgatory tyre that was a pain to fit and did not seat properly, so i got rid.

all the other tyres i have tried, (2010 nobby nic, spesh eskar, WTB wolverine) all went on with just my hands, no levers needed.

have a look on youtube for videos about fitting tyres onto stans rims. there is an art form to it. once you've got the technique its easy.

bigj205

I'm running Crest rims with Specialized Purgatory tyres and they went on fine, without levers or lubrication.
There is a definite knack to it though.

baser

start by throwing the Superstar rim tape in the bin! I had a similar problem with the wheels I purchased last year, ended up taking them to the local bike shop they replaced the Superstar rim tape with some from Continental which was a tighter fit on the rim, the tyres went on straight away. They are now running Stans yellow tape and tubeless, it's a pain to get started with but worth sticking with it.

In my experience continental tyres fit fairly easily although they take more sealant than others, Bonti mud X's go on without to much effort as well.

absv

Cheers guys, I'll get some yellow tape tomorrow and give that a try. I've been watching a few videos from the Stans site and my technique is definately wrong, will give it another go keeping the bead in the centre well not on the shoulder as I did yesterday

Northwind

Scuse me, but did I not tell you that yesterday

absv

Northwind wrote:

Scuse me, but did I not tell you that yesterday

Haha, just replied in that thread! If it doesn't work I'll be making a trip up north for a first hand demonstration!

jairaj

give this a watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XUFVrl0UT4

Shows the correct technique of how to fit a tyre.

cube101

try using a hairdryer on the tyre, not too close or too hot just to warm the material up... warm materials expand and will make it easier to fit.

Mccraque

hairdryers, buckets of soapy water....

....what happens when you have a trailside incident, need to stick a boot in, or a tube to get home?

Stans rims should take most non UST tyres with relative ease if you drop one bead first in to the centre channel (the deepest part of the rim). Repeat for side 2.

I've managed to get a set of Nobby Nics, Rocket Rons and some Bonty Mud X's onto Crest rims by hand - except in one instance when I used a plastic tyre lever.

widge34

Cat With No Tail wrote:

soapy water FTW! Get on it!

I've got the parktools levers too. Whilst it's hard to get excited about tyre levers, they are exceptional. Seem to be made of unobtanium or something*, they just will not break.


*I suspect they're actually made of some sort of plastic/resin rather than unobtanium really.

Which tyre levers have you got Cat? As Park seem to do two different plastic sets at around £2.70, then a metal set at £18

absv

Mccraque wrote:

hairdryers, buckets of soapy water....

....what happens when you have a trailside incident, need to stick a boot in, or a tube to get home?
.

My point exactly! I did,however, manage to get the back tyre on this evening in about 2minutes using a lever just once :oops: I haven't got a tube on,or any rim tape at the moment but it looks like technique is the key here, I may have to eat my words when the rim tape arrives :oops:

agg25

There's some handy videos on the Stans website, one even shows you the best way to whack a tyre on ;-)

billyballs

Dont listen to all this soapy water and hair drier malarkey. get yourself down to B&Queu and purchase a 600mm crowbar-sorted , you can also put it in yr back pack next time yr on the trail in case you end up with a flatty.Or before you put the tyre on fill up all the empty space with old underpants and socks and you,ll never get a puncture. Ah the good old days-we were never beat then. hope this helps!