Views on Shimano 105 and Campagnolo Xeon

TheWildHaggis
TheWildHaggis Posts: 143
edited November 2012 in Road buying advice
Hiya folks,

I am relatively new to this road cycling lark (having converted from the dark side of MTB), I know that campagnolo is well thought off and that the xeon is the lowest offering on their range, but how does it compare with the 105 groupset? I am looking at doing a Ribble 'build your own bike' using super light frame with either a 105 or the xeon groupset, any advice? The ridding will be mainly for Duathlons and the occasion TT as well as training runs.

Thanks in advance.
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Comments

  • RedAende
    RedAende Posts: 158
    Xenon probably closer to Tiagra. For 105 I'd compare to Veloce.

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  • Cleat Eastwood
    Cleat Eastwood Posts: 7,508
    xenon is/was entry level campag, similar to shimanos entry level sora. 105 is more 'advanced', and in my opinion more comfortable and easier to maintain.
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  • g00se
    g00se Posts: 2,221
    Campag stopped making Xenon (and Mirage) in 2009 - though they still appear as OEM kit on some Bianchi and Willier bikes. I would agree that they're lower spec than 105 - for similar Campag, you'd need to look at Veloce.

    The Xenon still works though...
  • Okay thanks for the replys. Gave me more to think about. I am attracted to the 105 groupset but i am trying to convince myself that it worth the extra dosh over the tiagra. Does any body know what the weight difference between 105 10spd and tiagra 10spd is?
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  • t4tomo
    t4tomo Posts: 2,643
    less than a large pre ride dump. i.e the weight difference is minimal.

    The "cockpit" i.e shifters etc are slightly different, 105 will be marginally slicker shifting but not that noticable. The biggest difference is that you and other riders will know you've spent marginally more on 105 kit than tiagra. That may or may not make you feel better. Go into a bike shop and compare the two side by side and see what you think.
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  • petemadoc
    petemadoc Posts: 2,331
    Okay thanks for the replys. Gave me more to think about. I am attracted to the 105 groupset but i am trying to convince myself that it worth the extra dosh over the tiagra. Does any body know what the weight difference between 105 10spd and tiagra 10spd is?

    105 shifters have cables which all run underneath the bar tape

    Tiagra has gear cables which stick out from the side of the shifter and run in front of your bars

    This is the main difference between the two I would say
  • wheezee
    wheezee Posts: 461
    A large pre-ride dump can be about 300gs :shock: This is the kind of important info. that other sites neglect. :D
  • Evil Laugh
    Evil Laugh Posts: 1,412
    Tiagra and 105 have different shaped hoods. That is probably the most important difference as you hold these the majority of the time you are riding. I prefer the new shape (105 5700).

    As for the equivalent campag to 105, you could argue 105 is equivalent to chorus in that they are both the first group in the range to have the same ergonomics, function and design as the top group, discounting electric.

    Performance is at least on a par with Athena IME. Weight and arguably looks suffer though.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,558
    For Shimano/SRAM

    Tiagra = Deore = Apex (but with a big asterix by Apex as its a bit special)
    105 = SLX = Rival
    Ultegra = XT = Force
    DuraAce = XTR = Red

    give or take....

    with regard to Campag or Shim - find a shop with both and see which one is most comfortable for you - performance is identical - much like the Shimano/SRAM debate on the light side ;). I'm afraid I don't know the campag groups so well so I'm loathed to list them in order lest I give you bad advice...
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  • g00se
    g00se Posts: 2,221
    This is completely subjective - but it may help:

    Campag : Shimano

    Super Record
    Record
    Dura Ace
    Chorus
    Ultegra
    Athena
    Centaur 105
    Veloce
    Tiagra
    Mirage*
    Xenon* Sora**
    2300

    * Only available OEM in older shape levers
    ** The new 2013 Sora is higher specified.
  • p1tse
    p1tse Posts: 694
    Good informative post. Does this still hold true now on the above?
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  • g00se
    g00se Posts: 2,221
    Yup. But I wound say the 2013 Sora is higher spec than Mirage.
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    Xenon is sh!t and not worthy of the campag name. Weak plastic FD shifter paddles break easily when working against the spring action of the front derailleur. Steer well clear.


    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

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  • I have ridden veloce for the last year on a lovely bike , I have also ridden some older 105 and just purchased some ultegra di2 for for 'best'.
    The veloce groupset has proven faultless in all that time as has the 105. The di2 is superb.
    Unless you are a real weight weenie I would say both are very good , the ergonomics are different and the change is also slightly different in campag gives a more mechanical change in you feel it move and the shimano is quieter.
    This is not a fault and there are endless discussions on campag v shimano v sram but all very personal opinions.
    I would suggest trying each and see which you prefer of either brand and buy the best you can afford,you won't be disappointed with either and both can be upgraded with individual parts as they require , I am looking at athena as upgrades when needed but that will be a year long process.
    good luck with the choice.
    ( super record and dura ace are both v nice though)VH
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