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felix.londonfelix.london Posts: 4,067
edited March 2012 in MTB workshop & tech
Just checking I've got all the right tools for the jobs in hand :?

The jobs;
1/ Remove (2006) Deore crankset & BB
2/ Install SLX (dual/bash) crankset & BB (I believe these are both Hollowtech II units ?)
3/ Remove 9sp Shimano cassette
4/ Install 10sp Shimano cassette

The tools (I have);
Crank extractor (square taper / ISIS / Octolink)
BB Tool ( http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=10179
Lockring Remover - Shimano
'Turn Table' Chain Whip

Am I missing some vital piece of equipment to get these jobs done properly?

I have swapped out Cranks/BB's in my previous MTB life but that was over 20 years ago :shock: I don't think I've ever removed or replaced cassettes though.

Your help/advice is appreciated as always.
"Why have that extra tooth if you're not using it?" - Brian Lopes

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  • stubsstubs Posts: 5,001
    edited March 2012
    You seem to have it sussed but is the Deore unit external bearings if not then you will need a splined BB tool to remove it.

    Be careful tightening the pre load cap on the SLX crank with that BB tool they should only be finger tight to take out any side to side play, then you do up the pinch bolts carefully and in sequence. Too many people tighten the pre load cap till there eyes bulge then blame Shimano when the bearings die 2 months later because of too much side loading.

    If you got the instructions with the new crankset read them several times or go onto Shimanos website to read them there they are easy to fit but easy to balls up.

    By the way has the frame had its BB shell faced might be a good idea to check as some bikes are miles out and it does nothing good to the bearing life.

    ps: read the FAQs on this site and have a read of Park tools and or SheldonBrown plenty of tips.
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  • nicklousenicklouse Posts: 50,675 Lives Here
    No crank extractor needed.

    Have a read of the info on Parktools as it also lists all the tools needed for the jobs.
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  • angry_birdangry_bird Posts: 3,785
    Splined BB tool for the old deore BB (unless it's external, but I doubt it).

    Get the BB shell faced too.
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  • nicklousenicklouse Posts: 50,675 Lives Here
    Angry Bird wrote:

    Get the BB shell faced too.
    But if it is replacing like for like it should have already been done. But often new bikes are not that good.
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  • felix.londonfelix.london Posts: 4,067
    stubs wrote:
    You seem to have it sussed but is the Deore unit external bearings if not then you will need a splined BB tool to remove it.

    I don't think so :? I looks like an old-style BB.

    Something like this? http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=73457
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  • felix.londonfelix.london Posts: 4,067
    nicklouse wrote:
    No crank extractor needed.

    Have a read of the info on Parktools as it also lists all the tools needed for the jobs.

    OK - so that was a tenner wasted. Will def be checking out Parktools.

    Cheers.
    "Why have that extra tooth if you're not using it?" - Brian Lopes

    Votec V.SX Enduro 'Alpine Thug' 2012/2013 build

    Trek Session 8
  • felix.londonfelix.london Posts: 4,067
    Angry Bird wrote:
    Get the BB shell faced too.

    What exactly does this mean? Sounds like a job for the lbs? The temptation then is just get them to remove & install the BB too :wink:
    "Why have that extra tooth if you're not using it?" - Brian Lopes

    Votec V.SX Enduro 'Alpine Thug' 2012/2013 build

    Trek Session 8
  • stubsstubs Posts: 5,001
    felix.london wrote:
    stubs wrote:
    You seem to have it sussed but is the Deore unit external bearings if not then you will need a splined BB tool to remove it.

    I don't think so :? I looks like an old-style BB.

    Something like this? http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=73457

    This the one I use I prefer them with a fixed handle less chance of slipping and chewing up a knuckle or knackering the splines X-Tools BB tool
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  • stubsstubs Posts: 5,001
    felix.london wrote:
    Angry Bird wrote:
    Get the BB shell faced too.

    What exactly does this mean? Sounds like a job for the lbs? The temptation then is just get them to remove & install the BB too :wink:

    A cutting tool is used to shave off any paint or burrs on the BB shell to allow the external bearing cups to sit absolutely parallel. Stops the bearings getting unequal loads which can shorten the life. Costs about £10 to £20 from a decent bike shop. You could get the shop to do the whole job but then you will never learn how to fix your bike. The facing needs a tool costing £100s so not sensible to buy.
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  • nicklousenicklouse Posts: 50,675 Lives Here
    felix.london wrote:
    Angry Bird wrote:
    Get the BB shell faced too.

    What exactly does this mean? Sounds like a job for the lbs? The temptation then is just get them to remove & install the BB too :wink:
    Again covered on Parktools and also in the FAQs above.
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  • felix.londonfelix.london Posts: 4,067
    stubs wrote:
    This the one I use I prefer them with a fixed handle less chance of slipping and chewing up a knuckle or knackering the splines X-Tools BB tool

    Sorted. Ordered. Cheers
    "Why have that extra tooth if you're not using it?" - Brian Lopes

    Votec V.SX Enduro 'Alpine Thug' 2012/2013 build

    Trek Session 8
  • felix.londonfelix.london Posts: 4,067
    stubs wrote:
    A cutting tool is used to shave off any paint or burrs on the BB shell to allow the external bearing cups to sit absolutely parallel. Stops the bearings getting unequal loads which can shorten the life. Costs about £10 to £20 from a decent bike shop. You could get the shop to do the whole job but then you will never learn how to fix your bike. The facing needs a tool costing £100s so not sensible to buy.

    Got it. Makes sense.

    Thanks for your help.
    "Why have that extra tooth if you're not using it?" - Brian Lopes

    Votec V.SX Enduro 'Alpine Thug' 2012/2013 build

    Trek Session 8
  • stubsstubs Posts: 5,001
    felix.london wrote:
    stubs wrote:
    This the one I use I prefer them with a fixed handle less chance of slipping and chewing up a knuckle or knackering the splines X-Tools BB tool

    Sorted. Ordered. Cheers

    If the BB is really tight and is the type with a hole through the spindle get yourself a long bolt or length of studding some washers and nuts and then bolt the tool through the hole and right through the BB. Stops the tool jumping out and damaging the splines, also allows you to give a gentle persuading with a mallet.
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  • andrewjosephandrewjoseph Posts: 2,165
    you got a 10 speed chain?
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  • cooldadcooldad Posts: 32,599
    And new mech and shifter.
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