6 Nations 2012

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  • brettjmcc
    brettjmcc Posts: 1,361
    Yes, yes, sorry - at the time of writing I was exgtreamly jet lagged... I'll get my coat
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,734
    I confess I'm finding this game a bit dull (so much so I'm posting here...) But then given how much snow is on the pitch, I'm not sure I can blame the players too much really!
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Hmmn, not much to say really...England really rather poor.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,734
    I don't think anyone can draw anything from this game.... 3 tries that have come from total nothing events so far, everything else just played between the 22's because everyone's hands are too cold to hold on to the ball...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,734
    well that was dull.....
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  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    Cant see how England can take any positives out of that game it was an absolute shambles, thats two games where they have been shocking and I cant see them doing very well against better opposition in the remaining games.
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  • sfichele
    sfichele Posts: 605
    As usual Italy can't kick for sh:t, otherwise could have been an upset.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,734
    It's going to take time, they re basically a bunch of kids, we re not going to win much for the next few years but this is how you build a team...

    And they were hardly shocking and it was snowing for flips sake!
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  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    ddraver wrote:
    It's going to take time, they re basically a bunch of kids, we re not going to win much for the next few years but this is how you build a team...

    And they were hardly shocking and it was snowing for flips sake!

    They were shocking, if that was any team other than England everyone would be saying the same
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,734
    what was shocking then?
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,734
    well France-Ireland is off - there goes my turbo training sesh...
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  • RoadMeridaBen
    RoadMeridaBen Posts: 265
    ddraver wrote:
    what was shocking then?

    The kicking game they tried at the start of the game was a joke, it was like watching rugby two years ago with the ping pong and it wasnt done well at that.

    They failed to build any sort of phase play and I dont buy the temperature leading to all those handling errors, I've seen club matches played in similar temperatures and to a much higher standard.

    England were lucky to scrape a win with two chargedowns in two weeks to win both of the matches, if that sort of luck continues against teams that are actually performing I will be shocked

    And the commentary about how England had good continuity was laughable as they either ended up going backwards or in the same place
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  • sfichele
    sfichele Posts: 605
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    what was shocking then?
    And the commentary about how England had good continuity was laughable as they either ended up going backwards or in the same place

    +1, England only won because of a lucky charge down, and because Italy can't kick. The only thing that separated the two teams was Farrel - he can kick!
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  • clarkey cat
    clarkey cat Posts: 3,641
    by the same account Italy only came as close as they did because of a lucky ricochet for their first try...

    but it wasnt luck that brought about the first try - it was pressure. Same with Charlie's charge-down. He works at getting those right and it pays off. Good rugby.



    Obviously we don't look like world beaters - or indeed anywhere near the pace of Wales, France and Ireland - but thats to be expected. There's about 10 caps in the whole team. Thats two difficult tests away from home against teams that should have got a famous win against the champions - but didnt. Onwards and upwards.

    Not that we can go up from TOP of the table. We can only go down - which we will.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,642
    RoadMeridaBen wrote:
    Cant see how England can take any positives out of that game it was an absolute shambles, thats two games where they have been shocking and I cant see them doing very well against better opposition in the remaining games.

    There's your positive - 2 poor games and 2 wins, that's how you build momentum and confidence. I'm worried for Wales in 2 weeks time as everyone seems to think it's a foregone conclusion. Hopefully Warburton will be back as I felt we missed him yesterday, all that aggresive tackling but not many turnovers from it. Scotland look quite a decent side other than their inability to score the rugby equivalent of open goals and a lack of discipline which ultimately cost them the game. I still can't believe that the French national stadium doesn't have undersoil heating - even a lot of Championship grounds have that over here!
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,734
    Pross wrote:

    Hopefully Warburton will be back as I felt we missed him yesterday, all that aggresive tackling but not many turnovers from it.

    Is that what everyone else calls illegal tackling? :p
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,642
    ddraver wrote:
    Pross wrote:

    Hopefully Warburton will be back as I felt we missed him yesterday, all that aggresive tackling but not many turnovers from it.

    Is that what everyone else calls illegal tackling? :p

    There was none of that yesterday! :wink:
  • tonyf34
    tonyf34 Posts: 194
    Wales have a pretty decent squad, probably the best of the home nations IMO. if the coach can temper some of the overly enthusiastic tackling(sic) that has put themselves under pressure and not get any crucial injuries they could well come out of this with a grand slam.
    The England game will be interesting, they'll be at home (for what's it's worth) and their tactic must surely be to stifle the ball and play it at the pace they want to which obviously could make it a forward dominated game and thus not be so expansive.
    Certainly England look a bit light in the centres, Farrel is a good kid and has plenty of talent but his tackling looked shaky at times despite pulling off some decent ones and great kicking for goal. Ashton whilst he is a decent attacker doesn't look all that in defence, postionally he seems to get himself in all sorts of bother and would be a target for mine.

    Oh and Pross, having played both codes man and boy I'm fairly well qualified to give a worthy opinion on both sports. Whilst each has their own USP and similarly downsides, 'rugger' despite being by far the most popular in terms of participation and viewers it is the lesser sport in many aspects of which I could into but I'm sure you know full well what they are.
    There's no need to feel ashamed, it's an inherited thing so really nothing you can do about and has been that way for 115 years now. it's nice to see your boys catching up a little in the skills area, 8 out of 10 for effort :wink:
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,642
    Don't worry, I know what you mean. I'd have loved to play league but it started to develop around here when I was hanging up my boots. Played it in a pre-season training session, the first rugby of any sort I had played as an adult after a 10 year break, and have never felt so knackered through my whole body. That said, I think the tackling and defensive side of Union at the top levels has come up to a similar intensity over the last decade (thanks in a large part to the influence of League players coming in as defensive coaches). As I said above, I enjoy both codes but find Union a more rounded game. I've missed going to the Super League games after the Crusaders went back north, they were a good bit of summer entertainment and the travelling support was always good fun.
  • tonyf34
    tonyf34 Posts: 194
    I miss proper scrums I must admit, but back in the day it was a lot of fannying around in league. But penalise it and players have to stop messing about. I do find the 'touch, pause, engage' malarky quite comical, though I get the safety aspect of it. I agree the tackling and passing skills are up there & when you look at sides like NZ and France (& even Wales too) it does make you wonder why they oft resort back to tactics of old.
    But still, there are aspects league could take from union, I always enjoyed doing short kick off early in a game and moshing the opposing 2nd rowers rib cage..lol
    I play a bit of masters league which is great as you can play to any age all together and us younger ones (under 50) get to tackle almost as hard as we used to do :o) but getting around the pitch is that much slower
    Good luck for the Welsh at the weekend

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