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cracked frame or just cracked clearcoat????

badly_dubbedbadly_dubbed Posts: 1,350
edited January 2012 in The bottom bracket
i have a damaged carbon frame and fork, which i stripped after finding cracks..

now its up for sale and i just had a PM from a member asking if it was actually cracked or just a slight crack in the clear.....

now i dont want to sell this off mega cheap if its not cracked.....how do i tell???

:shock:

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  • nevmannevman Posts: 1,611
    Job for the experts,you wouldnt want to buy a cracked frame?

    http://www.carboncyclerepairs.co.uk/index.html
    Whats the solution? Just pedal faster you baby.

    Summer B,man Team Carbon LE#222
    Winter Alan Top Cross
    All rounder Spec. Allez.
  • badly_dubbedbadly_dubbed Posts: 1,350
    Im selling it and have clearly marked it as cracked/damaged/unrideable on ebay :)

    cheers for the link
  • GiantMikeGiantMike Posts: 3,139
    Have you checked with the manufacturer to see if it's still in warranty or could be replaced cheaply under a crash replacement scheme?
  • badly_dubbedbadly_dubbed Posts: 1,350
    ive already had a payout, i was knocked down and since then the bikes been compendated for, i stripped off what was working and put all the good bits on my winter road bike.

    the frame and fork plus the extra wee bits is whats left, and hence now up for sale on the understanding that it is/may be cracked.
  • Most companies, if you've had a crash, say just bin anything carbon. I've got what look like a perfectly good stem and bars (rithcey WCS) but I've been told to sling em.
    "A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"

    PTP Runner Up 2015
  • badly_dubbedbadly_dubbed Posts: 1,350
    certainly not binning it! being sold as decscribed on eBay

    sitting at £77 LOL

    ach if thats what it sells for then so be it!
  • So you've had your payout, you've sold the bits that are working, and you're worried you can't squeeze the extra few quid out of this chap just in case your forks aren't actually knackered?

    Personally, the thought of these failing on someone and leaving the skin on their face firmly on some tarmac (or worse) isn't worth the extra money.
    "A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"

    PTP Runner Up 2015
  • badly_dubbedbadly_dubbed Posts: 1,350
    well to be blunt if they werent cracked i dont want to sell them for £70 really.....would you?

    it is listed as cracked.

    it will be sold as cracked.

    and its not forks...its a whole frameset probably in the region of a grands worth if it is indeed not cracked.

    you posted that as if im trying to sell something underhand.....

    the link to the advert is in the sales section if you wish to check it out.....2011 cube agree gtc race.
  • nevmannevman Posts: 1,611
    I would love that frame PROVIDED it came with an assurance that it wasnt cracked-why not get an assessment before passing it on?You might be quids in.
    Whats the solution? Just pedal faster you baby.

    Summer B,man Team Carbon LE#222
    Winter Alan Top Cross
    All rounder Spec. Allez.
  • badly_dubbedbadly_dubbed Posts: 1,350
    it can be fixed for about £180 ive been assured by a carbon specialist.

    anyway it ends in 8mins on ebay......
  • YossieYossie Posts: 2,600
    Hold on, so it's a crash damaged carbon frame that you are not prepared to ride on (which is why you are selling it on) but are happy to see someone else ride on although it may ne funked and dangerous.

    You aren’t sure if it’s terminally funked or not (although it would “only cost £180 to have it fixed”) so you want a) top Dollar in case it isn’t or b) any money in case it is.

    However you’re then saying that you don’t want to let it go for bottom Dollar in case it isn’t funked (which, by the fact that you won’t ride it yourself says to me that you know it is funked but don’t care about anyone else, just your wallet?).

    Or am I missing something?
  • badly_dubbedbadly_dubbed Posts: 1,350
    there are hairline cracks visible.

    i cant tell if its on the clear or through to the carbon.

    I dont want or need it.

    I myself wouldnt ride it.

    Ive sold it on fully stating it is or appears cracked.

    buyers bought it.

    his choice whether he does or does not ride it.

    problem?
  • badly_dubbedbadly_dubbed Posts: 1,350
    and yes, if there was a quick way to determine if it was indeed NOT crack then theres no way id let it go for stupid low money.

    however, there wasnt so i couldnt be 100% sure. therefore it was sold on the assumption it WAS cracked.

    and again, this was clearly stated in the advert. buyers risk.

    anyway it made decent money so im happy.

    i dont give my censored away for nothing.
  • STEFANOS4784STEFANOS4784 Posts: 4,109
    Was saying that you have nothing to worry about, despite what some on here may imply.

    If you bought a car off ebay advertised as no MOT or tax, spares or repair only. Then chose to drive it around as it was and ended up in a sticky situation then that would be your own fault.......Same in this scenario
  • nevmannevman Posts: 1,611
    That works so long as the next buyer is as unscrupulous when advertising...unlike cars that are registered when written off, there is nothing to stop buyer 2 or 3 adding a groupset and selling `as seen`.No one is the wiser,until the inevitable happens.I`m sure thats not what the OP wants,but it could be the net effect of not scrapping a dodgy frame when its been paid out.I wouldnt buy a second hand bike on Ebay for this reason.
    Whats the solution? Just pedal faster you baby.

    Summer B,man Team Carbon LE#222
    Winter Alan Top Cross
    All rounder Spec. Allez.
  • My issue is not with selling something as seen (saying its cracked) but asking people on an internet forum, if it isn't cracked in case you're selling it cheap. If someone said "it's just the clear coat" would you say that to the buyer, who then may potentially be riding on a frame/forks that's about to fail on them next time they bounce over a pot hole? If it's a real concern take it to somewhere that deals with carbon repairs, not asking the views of people on the internet.
    "A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"

    PTP Runner Up 2015
  • brianonyxbrianonyx Posts: 170
    If composites take an impact it is very difficult to tell the extent of the damage. They are very strong when intact but when they break, unlike metals have an all or nothing property with regard to strength. Why, if you drop a motorbike crash helmet, even if there is not visible damage the advice is to bin it.

    Same would go for you bike. If it has had enough energy go into it to crack the top gelcoat then it is very likely to have suffered internal cracking and delamination. Not sure I would sell it on for fear that someone patches it up and resells it.

    Although, if you can sleep at night for the sake of 77 quid then good luck to you.
  • YossieYossie Posts: 2,600
    77 quid - nah: he dont give his shoot away for nothing. He's alright, Jack .........
  • Tom ButcherTom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    Saw the ebay listing and he said quite clearly it appeared cracked - can't remember the exact wording but from memory it was honest about the damage and how it happened - fair enough to sell it as described.

    If someone else sells it on that's not really his fault is it - I suppose it's possible but it's also possible they plan on getting it professionally checked out and repaired if need be or they are just happy to take a punt on it.

    Personally I wouldn't take that frame for free though.

    it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
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