New year, new wheels. Advice please

stayhigh65
stayhigh65 Posts: 611
edited January 2012 in MTB buying advice
Morning All

Its time to replace my Crossrides as I want to get a lighter set of tubeless wheels on my Heckler. I dont do any big jump freeride type stuff just the odd hop & pop while out on my local trails and a few trips to wales each year. Currently my forks are still QR but I'm hoping to change later in the year to 15mm so a convertible front hub is in order.

I know that Hope/Flows are popular choices but cant find the weight for these. The Crests are lighter but is there a weight limit of them, I'm 13st FWIW.

CRC have Sun Black Flag Pro's which tick the boxes but I cant get past the gold hubs and nipples and the Chargers are nearly the same weight as my Crossrides.

What about a set of Shimano XT wheels but I dont think the front hubs can be converted?

Budget of around £2-250, what do people recomend?
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  • kenan
    kenan Posts: 952
    I fancy a set of these myself and they seem to fit your requirements: http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_ ... ee6011f268
  • stayhigh65
    stayhigh65 Posts: 611
    I cant seem to find one on the Stans site but is there a weight limit on the Crest rims?
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  • Bred2shred
    Bred2shred Posts: 306
    If you have any doubts about the crest rims just read Guys reveiw.

    http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/ ... -11-44372/

    Oh and winstanly bikes are doing these on hope pro2 evo's for £264, now thats a bargain.

    I'd been looking for a set of second hand hope hoops but i might just strech the extra sheckles for these.
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  • stayhigh65
    stayhigh65 Posts: 611
    Hmm so Crests are stronger then they would seem which is good to know. Have you got a link to them on Winstanely for £264 as I cant see them?

    I'm very tempted by the Superstar/Crest at a bargain-tastic £220.
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Consider the XT wheelset at Merlin too.
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  • stayhigh65
    stayhigh65 Posts: 611
    The problem with the XT sets is the front hub arent interchangeable. As I said I'll be going over to a 15mm set of lowers later in the year so I'd have to buy a new hub and then pay to have it swapped.
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  • Bred2shred
    Bred2shred Posts: 306
    Here you go mate, they even come the 15mm adapter.

    http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/produ ... ront_Wheel

    http://www.winstanleysbikes.co.uk/produ ... Rear_Wheel
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  • sanchez89
    sanchez89 Posts: 567
    stayhigh65 wrote:
    Hmm so Crests are stronger then they would seem which is good to know. Have you got a link to them on Winstanely for £264 as I cant see them?

    I'm very tempted by the Superstar/Crest at a bargain-tastic £220.

    you buy front and rear wheel sepearte through winstanleys. thats where mine came from. extra £40 odd quid over the superstar 1's but IMO you get better hubs with the Hope Pro 2 Evo's. im sure many will disagree though.

    oh and you get that superb clicking noise when you freewheel!! :smile:
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  • kenan
    kenan Posts: 952
    Are the hope hubs thought to be better than the superstar (nukeproof) switch hubs?

    I'd be happy with either as my first gen swith hubs are going strong, the rims are just getting old.
  • mystery h
    mystery h Posts: 154
    fwiw i am 15st and have a set of ck hubs with crest rims just for xc and trail riding and have had no problems at all, still true since being built
  • stayhigh65
    stayhigh65 Posts: 611
    kenan wrote:
    Are the hope hubs thought to be better than the superstar (nukeproof) switch hubs?

    Are the Switch & Nukeproofs the same then?

    I'd love to get some coloured Pro II's but the best I can find is £320 which is well over my budget.
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  • kenan
    kenan Posts: 952
    stayhigh65 wrote:
    Are the Switch & Nukeproofs the same then?

    From what I can tell looking at the hub spares, but can't be 100%. The grips look very similar ;)

    Superstar Grips: http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_ ... cts_id=277
    Nukeproof Grips: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=42094
  • Pudseyp
    Pudseyp Posts: 3,514
    Pro 2's on Flows from Merlin around £250
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  • stayhigh65
    stayhigh65 Posts: 611
    Can't see Pro2/Flows at Merlin for £250. AFAIK tho they work out a similar weight to my current wheels. Going on reviews the Crests are good for how I ride the question now is Hope or Superstar hubs.

    Both have changable hub options which is what I wanted but the SS are cheaper (& quieter) then the Hopes which would leave some spare pennies towards a new cassette and chain. Do the SS builds come with stans rim strips?
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  • stayhigh65
    stayhigh65 Posts: 611
    Does anyone know the weight of a Pro2 Evo/Crest wheelset as cant see it listed on the Hope site?

    And do you know if the Pro2/Crests on Winstanely come with everything you need to run them tubeless i.e. rim strip, valves and gloop?

    For that matter do the Superstar ones come with these or do you need to get seperately?
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  • Bred2shred
    Bred2shred Posts: 306
    stayhigh65 wrote:
    Does anyone know the weight of a Pro2 Evo/Crest wheelset as cant see it listed on the Hope site?

    Using my powers of deductive reasoning (subtracting) i think they will come in about the 1570g mark if you use the black rim, the white rim is painted and weighs about 35g a rim more.
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  • stayhigh65
    stayhigh65 Posts: 611
    Bred2shred wrote:
    Using my powers of deductive reasoning (subtracting) i think they will come in about the 1570g mark if you use the black rim, the white rim is painted and weighs about 35g a rim more.

    Cheers for that, I'm never sure what to adding for spokes and nipples. So with qr's they should be around 1650 so say a 250g saving over my current set. I've never weighed a tube but there can't be that much between one and some latex?

    Stands ready to be corrected ;)
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  • kenan
    kenan Posts: 952
    Average tube weight I'v found to be about 200g, my current tubes are 300g each (Maxxis Freeride) to avoid pinch flats.

    You can get tubes round the 100 mark, but I'v never tried these
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  • sanchez89
    sanchez89 Posts: 567
    stayhigh65 wrote:
    Does anyone know the weight of a Pro2 Evo/Crest wheelset as cant see it listed on the Hope site?

    And do you know if the Pro2/Crests on Winstanely come with everything you need to run them tubeless i.e. rim strip, valves and gloop?

    For that matter do the Superstar ones come with these or do you need to get seperately?

    i think the rims alone weight about 1500-1600kg. i.e straight out of the box no tyres or tubes.

    you can get the stans/hope tubeless kit from winstanelys when you buy the wheels. was 20quid when i ordered mine. contains a roll of 25mm wide yellow tape, 2 small sealant bottles (enough for 2 wheels), and 2 presta valves with removable cores.

    running these wheels tubeless over my old set of Mavic XM317 with tubes and tyres i reacon iv saved 400-500g.
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  • stayhigh65
    stayhigh65 Posts: 611
    Do you know if thats the same with the Superstar wheels or do they come with gloop etc?
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  • kenan
    kenan Posts: 952
    Best contact for Superstar is to email them (never answered the phone to me), but takes a few days for them to respond.

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