right or wrong? discuss....
welshkev
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I hadn't seen that yet, and after watching the video, I really don't think it is fair to charge him with anything. The older train inspector dude was catching a lot of lip, and it was clear that unless the kid was forcefully removed, he wasn't going anywhere. Personally it seems like he did the right thing by helping!0
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i haven't seen that second video before. not sure whether to belive the kid or not!
i don't think it's fair to charge him either personally but i suppose with this much exposure the law is the law0 -
I'm not sure what side i'd take, unless you were there or involved its hard to really judge what actually happened without just going off hearsay0
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I can't watch the vids at the mo, but the filming of the original incident doesn't capture everything, it only starts once things get heated. Apparently the guy who was thrown off had bought and paid for a return, but had been accidentally given two 'outbound' singles, if true then that's why he's understandably annoyed, and why he's shouting "there's my f*cking ticket".
They could have just carried on with the journey and got BTP to meet them at the next station, thwn removed him properly, if he genuinely hadn't paid.
A lot of people seemed to be enjoying it, but how would they feel if it was an older person, who'd been given the wrong ticket and then thrown to the ground by a fat b*stard!?
If he didn't pay then he didn't pay and he should be fined, the train could have carried on, transport police officers could have quickly and safely removed him. If he's been given the wrong ticket then he shouldn't have been so gobby, but he might have been peacefully making his point for ten minutes before the video starts. I'd be pretty annoyed if I paid for a ticket and then got wrongly kicked off the last train in the middle of nowhere with no money.0 -
He was a student so they should have used big sticks.0
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that monstercunt who put his hands on the little student puke definately deserves to be charged with assault. not least because this incident was none of his business
putting your hands on anyone without their permission is assault. Nothing gets in the way of a mans right to self defence but self defence must be comensurate with the threat. physically grabbing hold of and forcing a man to the ground is not an appropriate response to that mans verbal conflict with the conductor.
had the condicktor done his job better, nothing would have come of this. he should have stopped the monstercunt, got the train moving and reported to the incident to the transport police who could have dealt with it at the next stop. if he had done this, no one else would have got involved and no one would be lookingat some kind of criminal charge.
in summary, monstercunt should pick on someone his own size, conductor is just as responsible for the incident and should be sacked, monstercunt should go to jail and find out what it is like to be thrown to the ground by a man bigger than you. student puke should stand and laugh as those 2 fucktards end up in jail. he should then fuck off and get a job.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:that monstercunt who put his hands on the little student puke definitely deserves to be charged with assault. not least because this incident was none of his business
putting your hands on anyone without their permission is assault. Nothing gets in the way of a mans right to self defence but self defence must be comensurate with the threat. physically grabbing hold of and forcing a man to the ground is not an appropriate response to that mans verbal conflict with the conductor.
had the condicktor done his job better, nothing would have come of this. he should have stopped the monstercunt, got the train moving and reported to the incident to the transport police who could have dealt with it at the next stop. if he had done this, no one else would have got involved and no one would be lookingat some kind of criminal charge.
in summary, monstercunt should pick on someone his own size, conductor is just as responsible for the incident and should be sacked, monstercunt should go to jail and find out what it is like to be thrown to the ground by a man bigger than you. student puke should stand and laugh as those 2 fucktards end up in jail. he should then fark off and get a job.
all a sound argument, except the last bit, students, working? whatever next!!
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Personally yes the fat fuckpig was out of order in the way he did it, he should of gently ask him to leave then removed him. The force was over the top by the "big man" but then the student should not have been arrogant and used abusive language to the coffin dodger conductor. No one should be threatened in their line of work....simple.
I guess this is the nanny state we live in....I suppose it always be debated as when to use force or stand up for something that is wrong...we shy away from wrong doings which is the fault of the judicial system for fear of being percicuted. If I was in that same situation I would have said something to the young mong...if he was abusive then he would have marched.
There will aways be sides...but people have inherant values..some don't give a shite some people do...if I saw a woman being sexualy abused, I wouldn't go up to the offender and say "do you mind not doing that, what your doing is wrong" I would mearly kick he fecking head in.0 -
Pudseyp wrote:Personally yes the fat fuckpig was out of order in the way he did it, he should have gently ask him to leave then removed him. The force was over the top by the "big man" but then the student should not have been arrogant and used abusive language to the coffin dodger conductor. No one should be threatened in their line of work....simple.
big man should have minded his business. untill he stuck his beak in, the issue was purely verbal between a drunk man and an utterly useless old ticket collector.
i would see things differently had the student puke become physical. had that happned, i think the big man would have been right to step in. it didnt turn physical so the monstercunt should have mnded his business.
i agree that in general you shouldnt be threatened in your line of work but working with the general public should bring with it the caveat that many of those could well end up being abusive. as far as i can tell from the reports of what happened, it was an argument (these things happen) and it could have been resolved by reporting the student to the police who would have done what they are paid to do.
i hpoe the monsercunt gets jailed for being a nosey cunt who should learn to mind his business.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:Pudseyp wrote:Personally yes the fat fuckpig was out of order in the way he did it, he should have gently ask him to leave then removed him. The force was over the top by the "big man" but then the student should not have been arrogant and used abusive language to the coffin dodger conductor. No one should be threatened in their line of work....simple.
big man should have minded his business. untill he stuck his beak in, the issue was purely verbal between a drunk man and an utterly useless old ticket collector.
i would see things differently had the student puke become physical. had that happned, i think the big man would have been right to step in. it didnt turn physical so the monstercunt should have mnded his business.
i agree that in general you shouldnt be threatened in your line of work but working with the general public should bring with it the caveat that many of those could well end up being abusive. as far as i can tell from the reports of what happened, it was an argument (these things happen) and it could have been resolved by reporting the student to the police who would have done what they are paid to do.
i hpoe the monsercunt gets jailed for being a nosey **** who should learn to mind his business.
Agree with you and don't on some points here, to me it's about values...I was brought up to respect others and would never be abusive by the use of foul language in public....it ain't big and ain't clever and people do get intimidated. Due to the tosspots in Brussels and the threat of court action this country has lost it's have a go hero's I am not suggesting we all turn into vigalanties and making citizens arrests if people drop litter, but we should not be afraid to stand up to the said pizza faced slacker.
He knew the consiquence of not having a ticket which can lead to ejection.....and like I said the fuckpigs force was excessive.
I don't want to live an travel in fear, and if some young senseless prick would have done this if I was on a train, I would say something....if he was verbaly agressive to me then I would have no issue showing him who was boss.0 -
I'll have a look when I get in from work and give you the view of a former conductor0
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Tsk, bunch of hippies, I thought this was the CC.
Throw him on live rail sideways, no more fare dodging, end of.0 -
Ransaka wrote:Tsk, bunch of hippies, I thought this was the CC.
Throw him on live rail sideways, no more fare dodging, end of.
Now we're talking....0 -
i'd have chucked him off the farming train if he made me get home late for my neeps and tatties!0
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Gazlar wrote:I'll have a look when I get in from work and give you the view of a former conductor
What has your opinion got to do with it ?
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I just heard someone had been left with a bloody lip, sounds like, my area of expertise.0
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He looked and sounded like the typical scottish moron. I'm glad he get chucked off.0
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jay12 wrote:i hate trains
But your stuck with them for another 5 years until your able to drive........0 -
jay12 wrote:
True......if you can reach the wheel....if not you'll have to sit on your dads knee around Tesco's car park.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:
POTD!0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:Pudseyp wrote:Personally yes the fat fuckpig was out of order in the way he did it, he should have gently ask him to leave then removed him. The force was over the top by the "big man" but then the student should not have been arrogant and used abusive language to the coffin dodger conductor. No one should be threatened in their line of work....simple.
big man should have minded his business. untill he stuck his beak in, the issue was purely verbal between a drunk man and an utterly useless old ticket collector.
i would see things differently had the student puke become physical. had that happned, i think the big man would have been right to step in. it didnt turn physical so the monstercunt should have mnded his business.
i agree that in general you shouldnt be threatened in your line of work but working with the general public should bring with it the caveat that many of those could well end up being abusive. as far as i can tell from the reports of what happened, it was an argument (these things happen) and it could have been resolved by reporting the student to the police who would have done what they are paid to do.
i hpoe the monsercunt gets jailed for being a nosey **** who should learn to mind his business.
All is good and well about minding his own business, but you seem to have failed to realise the conductor had told the youngster to get off many times and he refused. That's alot like going into a shop, yelling abuse at the clerks, refusing to leave after they have asked, then being surprised someone has thrown you out.0 -
is that your favourite place to hang out? or should i say, let it hang outsheepsteeth wrote:0 -
Well from the evidence seen (the long version of the video) and the kids response to the media, the two certainly don't tie up.
However, monstercunt should have started to rawr out loud, turn green, grow some more and watch his clothes rip off apart from his trousers as that'd reveal his winkle and we can't see that on youtube, then throw the kid off whilst inserting numerous limes into orifices.0 -
MountainMonster wrote:sheepsteeth wrote:Pudseyp wrote:Personally yes the fat fuckpig was out of order in the way he did it, he should have gently ask him to leave then removed him. The force was over the top by the "big man" but then the student should not have been arrogant and used abusive language to the coffin dodger conductor. No one should be threatened in their line of work....simple.
big man should have minded his business. untill he stuck his beak in, the issue was purely verbal between a drunk man and an utterly useless old ticket collector.
i would see things differently had the student puke become physical. had that happned, i think the big man would have been right to step in. it didnt turn physical so the monstercunt should have mnded his business.
i agree that in general you shouldnt be threatened in your line of work but working with the general public should bring with it the caveat that many of those could well end up being abusive. as far as i can tell from the reports of what happened, it was an argument (these things happen) and it could have been resolved by reporting the student to the police who would have done what they are paid to do.
i hpoe the monsercunt gets jailed for being a nosey **** who should learn to mind his business.
All is good and well about minding his own business, but you seem to have failed to realise the conductor had told the youngster to get off many times and he refused. That's alot like going into a shop, yelling abuse at the clerks, refusing to leave after they have asked, then being surprised someone has thrown you out.
no, i realise plenty well what was happening.
my point remains, all of the other people should have minded their own business, the conductor should have reported the puke to the trnsport police and the train would have got moving plenty quick enough.
be under no illusion of the following: putting your hands on another person in the way that bloke did and for the reason that bloke did is assault.
if someone went into a shop yelled abuse and got thrown out by a customer, that customer would also have committed assault. a physical response to a verbal "attack" is not an appropriate response. in your example the same advice would be correct, call the police and let them deal with it.
if johnny sheepscunt is allowed to start cutting about, ignoring basic law in an attempt to dish out the law, we will find ourselves in a sorry old state.
just to highlight for the impending up in the air bleeding heart have a go billy cheesewands (who would actually sit in complete fucking silence in a situation like any suggested here i wouldnt doubt) who are going to give it the old "yeah but if it happened round my manor id just sort 'em out" sketch:
using physical force to stop a verbal argument is not a proper or apprpriate response. being larry large spuds doesnt earn you internet points or the respect of your peers, it makes you look like a fucking sheepscunt who should (until he can separate his emotions from his opinions) be locked up for the safety of the general public.0 -
They should all stop being so poor and buy cars.
Then none of this would have happened in the first place.0 -
Also.......sheepsteeth wrote:locked up for the safety of the general public.
that's like my obvious.0
