What 100-120mm hardtail frame only
jairaj
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Looking to get a new hardtail frame for general XC nothing to racey and nothing too hardcore designed for a 100-120mm fork.
There are plenty of threads on full bikes but can't find much options for frame only. I don't really mind what material its made out of but frames like the Ragley Piglet seem a bit heavy for me so if made from steel prefer a fancy steel like Reynolds or something that are usually a bit lighter.
what suggestions you got ... ?
There are plenty of threads on full bikes but can't find much options for frame only. I don't really mind what material its made out of but frames like the Ragley Piglet seem a bit heavy for me so if made from steel prefer a fancy steel like Reynolds or something that are usually a bit lighter.
what suggestions you got ... ?
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Sounds like you want a steel one?0
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OnOne Whippet?0
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Rock Lobster ?
£180 for the aluminium version or £225 for the Reynolds 853 steel version when you join the VIP club.
http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/Bike+Shop ... s/list.htm0 -
Not really. I only made the steel comment because looking back at old threads there are lot of steel framed suggestions. I'd prefer Alu or Carbon as they come in lighter but I'm happy keeping my options open as I'm not building a race bike so ta bit of extra weight wouldn't be the end of the world.Chunkers1980 wrote:Sounds like you want a steel one?
Yep this is on top of my list at the moment mainly because I can't think of anything else.supersonic wrote:OnOne Whippet?
What are Kenesis frames like? Are they value for money or a bit expensive?0 -
davewalsh wrote:Rock Lobster ?
£180 for the aluminium version or £225 for the Reynolds 853 steel version when you join the VIP club.
http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/Bike+Shop ... s/list.htm
Any idea on geometry figures? Can't see any on Merlins' website. Also found an old review on Bike Radar, has the frame changed since then or has the frame stayed untouched?0 -
Cotic Soul obviously, the only one worth considering if you want fancy steel.
I think the Merlin's are recommended upto 100mm, but if you look at some pictures of them they look pretty old skool in terms of angles.0 -
styxd wrote:Cotic Soul obviously, the only one worth considering if you want fancy steel.
not the only one
Stanton Bikes Slackline 853 - on the expensive side of this but it is a lovely frame!
- £400
but then there is;
Ragley Piglet - not so fancy steel but awesome ride
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not the only one
Stanton Bikes Slackline 853 - on the expensive side of this but it is a lovely frame
What? It weighs 5 and a half lbs, since when was that a good weight for an XC frame?
Its a 4x/dh/jump frame0 -
styxd wrote:not the only one
Stanton Bikes Slackline 853 - on the expensive side of this but it is a lovely frame
What? It weighs 5 and a half lbs, since when was that a good weight for an XC frame?
Its a 4x/dh/jump frame
I thought steel was heavier than alloy...it is an all mountain long travel hard tail, so yes a stunning frame but not quite right for the OP...0 -
Kaise wrote:Stanton Bikes Slackline 853 - on the expensive side of this but it is a lovely frame!
but then there is;
Ragley Piglet - not so fancy steel but awesome ride
Didn't read my first post which said no Ragley Piglet then?
While Im sure its a great frame, from all the reviews and happy owners, its just too heavy. Similar with the Stanton. Seems as if the frame was designed to ridden quite hard although that new frame they've got coming soon is designed to be a XC/trail frame so might come in a bit lighter. 0 -
jairaj wrote:Kaise wrote:Stanton Bikes Slackline 853 - on the expensive side of this but it is a lovely frame!
but then there is;
Ragley Piglet - not so fancy steel but awesome ride
Didn't read my first post which said no Ragley Piglet then? While Im sure its a great frame, from all the reviews and happy owners, its just too heavy. Similar with the Stanton. Seems as if the frame was designed to ridden quite hard although that new frame they've got coming soon is designed to be a XC/trail frame so might come in a bit lighter.
I read it but you said "seems a bit heavy" which i took to mean you haven't ridden one. They handle a lot lot lighter than they actually are.
the stanton isnt a 4x/dh/jump frame, look at the geometry, its a xc bike that you can launch at stuff if you need to, again until you've ridden one you wont know.
anyway, just my thoughts, all i would say is if you can get a test on a cotic soul/ragley piglet then you will be suprised how they feel!styxd wrote:What? It weighs 5 and a half lbs, since when was that a good weight for an XC frame?
Its a 4x/dh/jump frame
and the soul weighs 4.4lbs, you can take a number two and loose that much weight before you get on the bike! Lighter doesnt always mean better0 -
I read it but you said "seems a bit heavy" which i took to mean you haven't ridden one. They handle a lot lot lighter than they actually are.
Great, its still over 1lb heavier than a Soul which is an extra lb to drag up the hills.the stanton isnt a 4x/dh/jump frame, look at the geometry, its a xc bike that you can launch at stuff if you need to, again until you've ridden one you wont know.
I've looked at the geometry, it looks great for the riding I've described. Obviously they'll market it as an "all mountain LT hardtail" so the middle aged men (who like to think they're a bit "tougher" than xc riders) will buy it.and the soul weighs 4.4lbs, you can take a number two and loose that much weight before you get on the bike! Lighter doesnt always mean better
Or do both.0 -
Wow a 1lb heavier...I am sure if your were not to spend nearly £500 notes on a Cotic, you would have lots of cash to spend on light weight components...0
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Wow a 1lb heavier...I am sure if your were not to spend nearly £500 notes on a Cotic, you would have lots of cash to spend on light weight components...
Again, you havent read the OP properly. He wants a reynolds steel frame, you end up paying more for that.0 -
Pudseyp wrote:Wow a 1lb heavier...I am sure if your were not to spend nearly £500 notes on a Cotic, you would have lots of cash to spend on light weight components...
+potato!
frame weight isnt everything, all up weight is, if your going to be a weight weenie about it!
you'll be removing the springs from your QR skewers next to save a gram!
but have you ridden one? no?! Right then you cant say it doesn't climb well or whether it doesnt ride well in XC terms or whether Stanton a flowering their description to sell more bikes."styxd wrote:I've looked at the geometry, it looks great for the riding I've described. Obviously they'll market it as an "all mountain LT hardtail" so the middle aged men (who like to think they're a bit "tougher" than xc riders) will buy it.
At the end of the day, get out, try the bikes you like and go with the one you feel comfortable on.0 -
the OP doesnt say he WANTS a reynolds frame, he said he doesnt mind what its made out of but if it is steel then reynolds......jairaj wrote:Looking to get a new hardtail frame for general XC nothing to racey and nothing too hardcore designed for a 100-120mm fork.
There are plenty of threads on full bikes but can't find much options for frame only. I don't really mind what material its made out of but frames like the Ragley Piglet seem a bit heavy for me so if made from steel prefer a fancy steel like Reynolds or something that are usually a bit lighter.
what suggestions you got ... ?
jesus, read the posts properly, or dont bother0 -
At the end of the day, get out, try the bikes you like and go with the one you feel comfortable on.0
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Actually the 4 springs weigh in at 2grams, despite that I still use them though......Kaise wrote:you'll be removing the springs from your QR skewers next to save a gram!
SimonCurrently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.0 -
Ok everyone chill out! think fluffy kittens
Thanks for the suggestions so far. I think the On One Whippet is currently on top of the list as its cracking value for money. The Rock Lobster frame also looks good and is super cheap but I think the angles might be a bit old skool (if I could find figures anywhere).
I thought there would be many more options than this though. Might have a look around Merlin or CRC, I know they strip bikes down and sell them on as separate components.0 -
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Brighty wrote:
thanks for the link I couldn't find it with a quick search online. The head angle looks a bit steep for me prefer something a bit more relaxed.0 -
jairaj wrote:Looking to get a new hardtail frame for general XC nothing to racey and nothing too hardcore
ie, not a Slackline. Really lovely bikes but they're not XC bikes, they're big hefty all mountain/trail bikes, same breed as the Dialled Alpine and Cotic BFe and suchlike.Uncompromising extremist0 -
The Pipedream Scion is an 853 frame rated for 90-130mm and quite relaxed angles. Nice build quality and finish etc - I really like mine.
The heavier Sirius got a really good bikeradar write up about a year ago.
The Rock Lobsters look nice (I had one) but they're quite old school geo now.0 -
Are there no decent aluminium frames about these days? pretty much all the suggestions so far have been steel frames.
I've got nothing against steel, my current bike is a steel framed hardtail. I just thought there would be more aluminium suggestions. If you look at full bikes alu is still by far the most popular choice of material so thought it would be the same going for frame only as well.0 -
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Loads of good alu bikes about ie Merlin MALT series, Rock Lobster TIG SL, OnOne Scandal, Kinesis to start.
All lighter than any steel frame.0
