Censorship - Friday afternoon question
blu3cat
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So a group of comedians get free PR and notoriety for saying what they want. Should we censor them? Or should they be allowed to say what they want?
Should free speech be allowed in all circumstances?
I agree with Voltaire's view on free speech. (isn't the internet wonderful)
" I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Anyone here for censorship?
Should free speech be allowed in all circumstances?
I agree with Voltaire's view on free speech. (isn't the internet wonderful)
" I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Anyone here for censorship?
"Bed is for sleepy people.
Let's get a kebab and go to a disco."
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Let's get a kebab and go to a disco."
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I think you're confusing moralistic censorship with the bounds of generally acceptable good taste.
if I were to litter every post on here with profanity & personal abuse and have signature to every post of of 'F**k you, you're all a bunch of motherf***ing c**ts' how long would I keep my account for?
is that censorship of my free speech or just common or garden good taste on the side of BR mods and a nod to the fact that the majority of people on here do not behave in the same manner and would not wish to read/be addressed in that way?0 -
shouldbeinbed wrote:I think you're confusing moralistic censorship with the bounds of generally acceptable good taste.
if I were to litter every post on here with profanity & personal abuse and have signature to every post of of 'F**k you, you're all a bunch of motherf***ing c**ts' how long would I keep my account for?
is that censorship of my free speech or just common or garden good taste on the side of BR mods and a nod to the fact that the majority of people on here do not behave in the same manner and would not wish to read/be addressed in that way?
Actually, that would rather fun...
Love n hugs
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DIESELDOG wrote:shouldbeinbed wrote:I think you're confusing moralistic censorship with the bounds of generally acceptable good taste.
if I were to litter every post on here with profanity & personal abuse and have signature to every post of of 'F**k you, you're all a bunch of motherf***ing c**ts' how long would I keep my account for?
is that censorship of my free speech or just common or garden good taste on the side of BR mods and a nod to the fact that the majority of people on here do not behave in the same manner and would not wish to read/be addressed in that way?
Actually, that would rather fun...
Love n hugs
DD
theres a few people who've had me this '-' close before now.
c'mon mods: 1 day amnesty, anything goes. lets go the full Gervaise Boyle-Manning kidding honest0 -
shouldbeinbed wrote:I think you're confusing moralistic censorship with the bounds of generally acceptable good taste.
if I were to litter every post on here with profanity & personal abuse and have signature to every post of of 'F**k you, you're all a bunch of motherf***ing c**ts' how long would I keep my account for?
is that censorship of my free speech or just common or garden good taste on the side of BR mods and a nod to the fact that the majority of people on here do not behave in the same manner and would not wish to read/be addressed in that way?
Nope, no confusion whatsoever. You should have the right to say that, where you say it is a different matter of course."Bed is for sleepy people.
Let's get a kebab and go to a disco."
FCN = 3 - 5
Colnago World Cup 20 -
shouldbeinbed wrote:DIESELDOG wrote:shouldbeinbed wrote:I think you're confusing moralistic censorship with the bounds of generally acceptable good taste.
if I were to litter every post on here with profanity & personal abuse and have signature to every post of of 'F**k you, you're all a bunch of motherf***ing c**ts' how long would I keep my account for?
is that censorship of my free speech or just common or garden good taste on the side of BR mods and a nod to the fact that the majority of people on here do not behave in the same manner and would not wish to read/be addressed in that way?
Actually, that would rather fun...
Love n hugs
DD theres a few people who've had me this '-' close before now.
c'mon mods: 1 day amnesty, anything goes. lets go the full Gervaise Boyle-Manning kidding honest
I'm up for a 1 day swear-a-thon."Bed is for sleepy people.
Let's get a kebab and go to a disco."
FCN = 3 - 5
Colnago World Cup 20 -
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shouldbeinbed wrote:DIESELDOG wrote:shouldbeinbed wrote:I think you're confusing moralistic censorship with the bounds of generally acceptable good taste.
if I were to litter every post on here with profanity & personal abuse and have signature to every post of of 'F**k you, you're all a bunch of motherf***ing c**ts' how long would I keep my account for?
is that censorship of my free speech or just common or garden good taste on the side of BR mods and a nod to the fact that the majority of people on here do not behave in the same manner and would not wish to read/be addressed in that way?
Actually, that would rather fun...
Love n hugs
DD theres a few people who've had me this '-' close before now.
c'mon mods: 1 day amnesty, anything goes. lets go the full Gervaise Boyle-Manning kidding honest
Just post on 'The CrudCatcher' in the Mountain bike section. They regularly use the 'c' word and take the p1ss out of Down syndrome kids and the 'retards' as they like to term them.0 -
^^ That's why I can "cross forum" same as cross dressing just a little bit scarier where the CC is concerned.
Love n hugs
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de rien wrote:shouldbeinbed wrote:DIESELDOG wrote:shouldbeinbed wrote:I think you're confusing moralistic censorship with the bounds of generally acceptable good taste.
if I were to litter every post on here with profanity & personal abuse and have signature to every post of of 'F**k you, you're all a bunch of motherf***ing c**ts' how long would I keep my account for?
is that censorship of my free speech or just common or garden good taste on the side of BR mods and a nod to the fact that the majority of people on here do not behave in the same manner and would not wish to read/be addressed in that way?
Actually, that would rather fun...
Love n hugs
DD theres a few people who've had me this '-' close before now.
c'mon mods: 1 day amnesty, anything goes. lets go the full Gervaise Boyle-Manning kidding honest
Just post on 'The CrudCatcher' in the Mountain bike section. They regularly use the 'c' word and take the p1ss out of Down syndrome kids and the 'retards' as they like to term them.
heading over there now the bunch of knobbly tyre riding C*nts.....0 -
The mistake was thinking any of us have the right to free speech on a privatey owned forum. WE DO NOT have any right to it nor do we have any right to explanation when our accounts and/or posts are removed.
Sorry,I'm a supermod on a very large forum and this waaaa free speech no censorship crap crops up all the time. Entitlement to post/browse/remain not banned,lies solely at the discretion of the owners.0 -
T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:The mistake was thinking any of us have the right to free speech on a privatey owned forum. WE DO NOT have any right to it nor do we have any right to explanation when our accounts and/or posts are removed.
Sorry,I'm a supermod on a very large forum and this waaaa free speech no censorship crap crops up all the time. Entitlement to post/browse/remain not banned,lies solely at the discretion of the owners.
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T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:The mistake was thinking any of us have the right to free speech on a privatey owned forum. WE DO NOT have any right to it nor do we have any right to explanation when our accounts and/or posts are removed.
Sorry,I'm a supermod on a very large forum and this waaaa free speech no censorship crap crops up all the time. Entitlement to post/browse/remain not banned,lies solely at the discretion of the owners.
But do you differentiate between a well articulated, but potentially offensive, opinion and me simply calling someone a cnut?0 -
LeicesterLad wrote:T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:The mistake was thinking any of us have the right to free speech on a privatey owned forum. WE DO NOT have any right to it nor do we have any right to explanation when our accounts and/or posts are removed.
Sorry,I'm a supermod on a very large forum and this waaaa free speech no censorship crap crops up all the time. Entitlement to post/browse/remain not banned,lies solely at the discretion of the owners.
F*ck off
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Love n hugs
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LeicesterLad wrote:T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:The mistake was thinking any of us have the right to free speech on a privatey owned forum. WE DO NOT have any right to it nor do we have any right to explanation when our accounts and/or posts are removed.
Sorry,I'm a supermod on a very large forum and this waaaa free speech no censorship crap crops up all the time. Entitlement to post/browse/remain not banned,lies solely at the discretion of the owners.
F*ck off
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T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:The mistake was thinking any of us have the right to free speech on a privatey owned forum. WE DO NOT have any right to it nor do we have any right to explanation when our accounts and/or posts are removed.
Sorry,I'm a supermod on a very large forum and this waaaa free speech no censorship crap crops up all the time. Entitlement to post/browse/remain not banned,lies solely at the discretion of the owners.
Right but beyond the scope of personal private internet feifdoms. You should still have the right to say what you want."Bed is for sleepy people.
Let's get a kebab and go to a disco."
FCN = 3 - 5
Colnago World Cup 20 -
T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:The mistake was thinking any of us have the right to free speech on a privatey owned forum. WE DO NOT have any right to it nor do we have any right to explanation when our accounts and/or posts are removed.
Sorry,I'm a supermod on a very large forum and this waaaa free speech no censorship crap crops up all the time. Entitlement to post/browse/remain not banned,lies solely at the discretion of the owners.
I'd go back to my initial point, we have free speech within limits of good taste and decency (and long may it be so). Theres not a lot of difference prosaically between a privately owned forum with the personal limits the owners & mods set (this is a mid table forum from my experience, I'm on football ones that are way more of a free for all and educationalist ones that are really sedate in comparison) and the choice of social and broadcast media owners/editors as to what they could remove / not air if they so wished, its all on a sliding scale.
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Twitter, C4 Facebook etc know they will see increased traffic from contoversial comments and so do not clamp down on them in the way that similarly further out there comments would be e.g. on here. Think of Mark Walker (in his many guises) and his racially questionable trolling getting shot down and shut down, then do a twitter search for the term 'pikey' and see the venom and vitriol being poured out without official problem over the dale farm thing.
easier to patrol and police a relatively small forum such as this as opposed to a global behemoth like twitter too of course.0 -
blu3cat wrote:Right but beyond the scope of personal private internet feifdoms. You should still have the right to say what you want.
In the UK, of course, you don't - as Stephen Birrell found out a few days ago when he got 7 months for insulting 'fenians' on Facebook.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/1 ... sfeed=true
(As a comparison, that's roughly the recommended sentence for causing death by careless driving.)0 -
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We have the ability to post,there is no right to post implied nor any right to free speech within that,because there are rules and T+C's that we agreed to when registering. I have to admit,BR is one of the more sedate forums I frequent along with fitness and car forums too,some of those are rather rough,but the rules there dicate.shouldbeinbed wrote:T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:The mistake was thinking any of us have the right to free speech on a privatey owned forum. WE DO NOT have any right to it nor do we have any right to explanation when our accounts and/or posts are removed.
Sorry,I'm a supermod on a very large forum and this waaaa free speech no censorship crap crops up all the time. Entitlement to post/browse/remain not banned,lies solely at the discretion of the owners.
I'd go back to my initial point, we have free speech within limits of good taste and decency (and long may it be so). Theres not a lot of difference prosaically between a privately owned forum with the personal limits the owners & mods set (this is a mid table forum from my experience, I'm on football ones that are way more of a free for all and educationalist ones that are really sedate in comparison) and the choice of social and broadcast media owners/editors as to what they could remove / not air if they so wished, its all on a sliding scale.
added a bit
Twitter, C4 Facebook etc know they will see an increased traffic from contoversial comments and so do not clamp down on them in the way that similarly further out there comments would be on e.g. here. Think of Mark Walker (in his many guises) and his racially questionable trolling on here getting shot down and shut down, then do a twitter search for the term 'pikey' and see the venom and vitriol being poured out without official problem over the dale farm thing.
easier to patrol and police a relatively small forum such as this as opposed to a global behemoth like twitter too of course.
(entirely unrelated) I've actually seen banned forum users making alts to threaten legal action. It'll never stick lol0 -
For me, free speech is sacred. Save from personal verbal abuse, you should be able to say whatever you want, without any fear from the state or violence and that right should be protected.0
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Rick Chasey wrote:For me, free speech is sacred.
How do you square that with living in a country where free speech is heavily constrained?0 -
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ooermissus wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:For me, free speech is sacred.
How do you square that with living in a country where free speech is heavily constrained?
It's not ideal.
Having said that, the topic I tend to speak about are not particularly constrained.0 -
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explain please...what is your evidence?ooermissus wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:For me, free speech is sacred.
How do you square that with living in a country where free speech is heavily constrained?
Manipulation of the press is one thing but freedom of speech is another.0 -
Redhog14 wrote:
explain please...what is your evidence?ooermissus wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:For me, free speech is sacred.
How do you square that with living in a country where free speech is heavily constrained?
Manipulation of the press is one thing but freedom of speech is another.
That guy who posted a joke on twitter about blowing an airport up because he was annoyed got prosecuted for inciting terrorism.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Redhog14 wrote:
explain please...what is your evidence?ooermissus wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:For me, free speech is sacred.
How do you square that with living in a country where free speech is heavily constrained?
Manipulation of the press is one thing but freedom of speech is another.
That guy who posted a joke on twitter about blowing an airport up because he was annoyed got prosecuted for inciting terrorism.
Not censorship so much as sense of humour failure?0 -
Redhog14 wrote:
explain please...what is your evidence?ooermissus wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:For me, free speech is sacred.
How do you square that with living in a country where free speech is heavily constrained?
Manipulation of the press is one thing but freedom of speech is another.
Compared to the United States, the UK is much more happy to police speech - various incitement and hate speech laws, for example, that would fall foul of the First Amendment in the US. Plus our tight libel laws.
To give one case, members of the Westboro Baptist Church - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church - would soon find themselves locked up on this side of the pond - in the US, they regularly disrupt soldiers' funerals with their 'god hates fags' nonsense.
Earlier in the thread, I mentioned Stephen Birrell who recently got 7 months for being offensive on Facebook.0
