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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    I have to say I feel like the UCI is trying to take the sport into the global arena before the teams and sponsor are really ready for it.

    Yes there are a few global sponsors but there are also a lot of regional sponsors who don't really want to go all over the globe
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    They would be better having the teams commiting to a number of non WorldProTour (see, I have no idea or interest what the whole shebang is called) races, say 5 ... Theybcould pick and choose which ones they went to and the numbers made up of local/national teams ...

    Now I know that most teams would all try to go to the same races, but let's face it, alot of sponsors are only interested in their target markets and if a teams sponsor has Chinese interests then they'll be sent ...

    You only have to look at some of the American/Italian/Spanish races or tne ToB to see who wants to go/is sent where ... Half these races arevmissing top teams as it's not in their interest ...

    There is also the spirit of competition/spite to be factored in ... No one likes their competitor to be winning while they are sat at home ... Just look at Garmin, sending teams to the mickey mouse races in the States Radioshack were hoovering up ...
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    BikingBernie wrote:
    I pointed out that things are changing in China. As the article notes, last year alone 13.8 million new passenger cars were registered in China and the levels of car ownership in China are rocketing towards a totally unsustainable level.
    Todays Beijing stage 3 did show an immaculate "Tarmac" road with trees painted white.
    Graham Jones on ES commentary, said he had not seen any "Pot Holes".around as the race passed under many Dual Carriageway roads.
    With China being so rich and able to set the infastructure for another few million cars, it seems.
    I "Dare" the USA to put Tarrifs on their products, as is being suggested in Washington.
    The USA/Europe have lost it's huge manufacturing base, as the Financial wizards have sold it all to China and South East Asia.

    Question :- Is there a Tour of China next week.??
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    deejay wrote:

    Question :- Is there a Tour of China next week.??

    It was a couple of weeks ago.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    RichN95 wrote:
    deejay wrote:

    Question :- Is there a Tour of China next week.??

    It was a couple of weeks ago.
    My Diary gives it as
    2.1 Tour of China - 10th October to 20th October 2011.

    Unable to find a Result for it last month. ?
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    deejay wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    deejay wrote:

    Question :- Is there a Tour of China next week.??

    It was a couple of weeks ago.
    My Diary gives it as
    2.1 Tour of China - 10th October to 20th October 2011.

    Unable to find a Result for it last month. ?

    Here you go:

    http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/ra ... ceid=21397

    It was 10th-20th September
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    I can see the point of making the race compulsory. Many teams won't go but it could attract new sponsors if they know they're guaranteed a race in China... but I'm not sure.

    Look at football and the Asians are sponsoring the Premier League because it's the best, they don't get so excited for home leagues. In the same way it could be that a Chinese company thinking about a bike team wants a ride in July's Tour de France instead of riding around Beijing for five days. It'd be interesting to know how much coverage the race is getting in China right now.
  • dulldave
    dulldave Posts: 949
    emadden wrote:
    BikingBernie wrote:
    Taiwan (Republic of China, but don't tell the Tiawanese)..

    Bernie, Taiwan is known as the Republic of China ("ROC"). Dont confuse that with the distinct sovereign nation of Peoples Republic of China ("PRC" or "China").

    So what ever happened to the Popular Front of China?
    Scottish and British...and a bit French
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Kléber wrote:
    Look at football and the Asians are sponsoring the Premier League because it's the best, they don't get so excited for home leagues. In the same way it could be that a Chinese company thinking about a bike team wants a ride in July's Tour de France instead of riding around Beijing for five days. It'd be interesting to know how much coverage the race is getting in China right now.

    But a lot of those Premier League teams are over in the Far East for their Pre-Season. This is sort of the cycling equivalent.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • emadden
    emadden Posts: 2,431
    I just saw the Tour of Beijing on TV today... lucky I did... Pat McQuaid's TV production company used some of my images in the intro without getting a licence from me... Oooh there will be trouble!!!
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  • hangeron
    hangeron Posts: 127
    FFS...what a bunch of twonks

    hope you have a recording of it.

    Double rates now at least, & a penalty payment...how many territories have they broadcast it too!!

    Don't tell me you only saw the coverage after torrenting it though!
  • top_bhoy
    top_bhoy Posts: 1,424
    Why would a true multinational brand get involved in cycling in its current state? Being associated with a sport renouned for the winners being on PEDs, they risk having their name and reputation tarnished in the next doping scandal.

    Cycling is holding itself back until doping is curbed.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Top_Bhoy wrote:
    Why would a true multinational brand get involved in cycling in its current state? Being associated with a sport renouned for the winners being on PEDs, they risk having their name and reputation tarnished in the next doping scandal.

    Cycling is holding itself back until doping is curbed.

    Because cycling as a sport brings in about €33bn, and grew around 4% last year.

    Big bike brands like specialised ARE big multinationals.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,652
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Top_Bhoy wrote:
    Why would a true multinational brand get involved in cycling in its current state? Being associated with a sport renouned for the winners being on PEDs, they risk having their name and reputation tarnished in the next doping scandal.

    Cycling is holding itself back until doping is curbed.

    Because cycling as a sport brings in about €33bn, and grew around 4% last year.

    Big bike brands like specialised ARE big multinationals.

    Specialized can hardly distance themselves from cycling though, given that they're in the business of flogging bikes...

    It's the non-cycling brands that are wary.
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  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    Top_Bhoy wrote:
    Why would a true multinational brand get involved in cycling in its current state? Being associated with a sport renouned for the winners being on PEDs, they risk having their name and reputation tarnished in the next doping scandal.

    Cycling is holding itself back until doping is curbed.

    Or maybe like many other sports the governing body can successfully water down the testing, suppress undesirable test results and generally control the flow of news. That'll work too.
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Top_Bhoy wrote:
    Why would a true multinational brand get involved in cycling in its current state? Being associated with a sport renouned for the winners being on PEDs, they risk having their name and reputation tarnished in the next doping scandal.

    Cycling is holding itself back until doping is curbed.

    Because cycling as a sport brings in about €33bn, and grew around 4% last year.

    Big bike brands like specialised ARE big multinationals.

    I really can't form a constant opinion of the relationship between doping and bike sponsors. Part of me thinks it really has far more to do with the desirability of a sport to a sponsor. The luxury brands like high end watches and fragrance/cosmetic companies, maybe Mercedes and Porsche all like tennis and golf, a more well heeled audience, so more direct appeal. The global mass market companies like banks. insurance and telecoms get more exposure with football and have the readies to do so. Part of me thinks that a winning team wouldn't care about Contador's background, the winning and exposure is all good. Then another time I think why would you want all that negative news link, Alberto Drugs etc, rides for Saxo Sunguard, so therefore Saxo and Sunguard are morally corrupt? I just can't get a consistent handle on it. Sure Highroad couldn't get a sponsor, and others have gone, but was that really drugs or because they were in a mess themselves, or were just done with cycling for the time being. Sponsors left long before drugs were a public problem, they thought they'd run their course, or budgets changes, many reasons for a sponsor to move on. Thinking about it a little more if you want a long term involvement in cycling sponsorship is there a better example than Festina, and who'd associate Festina with drugs?
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    Top_Bhoy wrote:
    Why would a true multinational brand get involved in cycling in its current state? Being associated with a sport renouned for the winners being on PEDs, they risk having their name and reputation tarnished in the next doping scandal.

    Cycling is holding itself back until doping is curbed.

    How many missed out of comp tests in cycling in past 2 years? How many missed tests in football? How many blood tests at grand tours 2011?How many at wimbledon?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Yes Dave, but like it or not, cycling is synonymous with drugs for many laymen, the others are nt
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    ddraver wrote:
    Yes Dave, but like it or not, cycling is synonymous with drugs for many laymen, the others are nt
    How about winning a Gold Medal at "5 Olympics". ??
    Unbelievable. (in the category of "others are not")

    Where are all the "Push Bikes" made these days. ??????

    A little unknown German Telecom company did merge with the East German Phone lines and then with a small advertising budget they formed a Cycle racing team.
    Within 4 years they were bragging they were as well known internationally as Coca Cola.

    The drugs caught up with them so they disowned cycle racing.
    Didn't they do well !!
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    You think rowing is synonymous with doping to the average layman do you....? I ve never heard it linked myself...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Some interesting stuff starting to appear here:
    http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15566
    JV tweeting on Global Cycling Promotions and "borrowed" money
    paid into the UCI by the teams...................
    http://cyclismas.com/2011/09/is-gcp-the ... ption-gun/
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.

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