Cheap Pinarello Dogma - Whats the catch

GazelleBoy
GazelleBoy Posts: 32
edited September 2011 in Road buying advice
I have noticed this ebay seller who is selling DOgma 60.1 at a stupidly cheap price (£3000 cheaper).
It does say: Pictures are all original. The bike will come exactly as shown in the pictures.

My first thoughts are:
Are they Fake?
Whats the catch?
Why are they so cheap?

Does anyone have any knowledge of this company?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Full-Carbon-F ... 137wt_1165
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike.
Then I realised that The Lord doesn\'t work that way, so I stole one and asked him to forgive me.

Comments

  • JamesFree
    JamesFree Posts: 703
    It's a just one of those Chinese carbon framsets stickered up as a Dogma
  • Brommers76
    Brommers76 Posts: 234
    What he said. Note the advert does not say Pinarello Dogma either.
  • danowat
    danowat Posts: 2,877
    Fake, cheap Chinese frame painted to look like a Pinarello.

    Cut out the middleman and go direct to somewhere like DengFu
  • JamesFree
    JamesFree Posts: 703
    Would be interested to see the 2 frames side by side, I bet there is'nt £3k worth of difference or much at all between them
  • prawny
    prawny Posts: 5,445
    Yup, it's just a carbonzone (or similar) frame, not a real Dogma, you could go direct and save £100. Or spend the extra and have them handle the warranty if there are any problems. Maybe a bit of peice of mind? Although for that price I'd rather have a planet x or ribble or smething.
    Saracen Tenet 3 - 2015 - Dead - Replaced with a Hack Frame
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  • GazelleBoy
    GazelleBoy Posts: 32
    So are they inferior or even dangerous. Or just from the same factory but cheaper?
    When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike.
    Then I realised that The Lord doesn\'t work that way, so I stole one and asked him to forgive me.
  • prawny
    prawny Posts: 5,445
    They're not the same, could be inferior, but might not be much.

    The seat tube is a different design to the dogma, but I think is exactly the same as the FP Quattro.

    It might be exactly the same as an FP2 for all I know, I would love to do a real comparison.
    Saracen Tenet 3 - 2015 - Dead - Replaced with a Hack Frame
    Voodoo Bizango - 2014 - Dead - Hit by a car
    Vitus Sentier VRS - 2017
  • Mccaria
    Mccaria Posts: 869
    Obvious differences :

    Seat tube diameter is different - the Dogma 1 uses a proprietary (and heavy) Most seatpost.
    Pinarello Dogma is fitted for a braze on front derailleur
    Sizes are different (Dogma 57.5 has a 57.5 cm TT whereas the advert has a 58cm frame with a 56.5 cm TT).
    Dogma is threaded for an Italian bottom bracket size - not English.

    Less obvious differences
    Made from a different grade of carbon fibre.

    Clearly they are not the same bike as both frames are made from a mould and this frame is from different mould from the Dogma. One rumour is that the mould for the Chinarellos was an earlier generation mould of a Prince prototype which was "borrowed".

    The biggest concern (and this is covered in threads on the Weight Weenies forum if you are interested) is that there is little quality control on these frames (particularly carbon fibre to resin ratios) which could lead to structural issues - something you don't want to be thinking about going 30-40 mph down a tricky descent.

    Just to be clear the comment on quality control only relates to frames being badged up as Pinarello look alikes - not Chinese branded frames in general.

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