New allegations in Italy

iainf72
iainf72 Posts: 15,784
edited September 2011 in Pro race
Daniel Friebe just tweeted about some shocked allegations in an Italian paper about doping and money laundering. Menchov / Scarponi / Armstrong and Ferrari named.

Can't find it online yet.
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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  • Tom Butcher
    Tom Butcher Posts: 3,830
    This ?
    http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php%3Fpage%3Dnews%26cod%3D42852%26tp%3Dn&ei=kLJ5TrJjhc6yBuCn1d4P&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522armstrong%2522%2B%2522scarponi%2522%2B%2522menchov%2522%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3Dbiz%26tbo%3D1%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26biw%3D1360%26bih%3D639%26tbs%3Dqdr:h%26prmd%3Dimvns
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?pa ... 42852&tp=n
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Good spot!

    Yes, that.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    iainf72 wrote:
    Good spot!

    Yes, that.

    (It helped the Friebe posted the link :wink: )
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,599
    what has doping in cycling got to do with 11/9?
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  • Yorkman
    Yorkman Posts: 290
    the translation is all over the place, but theres a fearsome array of named names there.

    Hopefully we'll get an accurate version soon.
  • rozzer32
    rozzer32 Posts: 3,923
    Iain are you the inner ring??
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  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    Translation won't work on my work computer :evil:
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  • LangerDan
    LangerDan Posts: 6,132
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    Translation won't work on my work computer :evil:

    All you need to know is that, according to one comment

    "evidently some lobby traficone hidden in high places have a vested interest in the free throw mud on the bike"

    Self explanatory, really.
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  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    LangerDan wrote:
    LeicesterLad wrote:
    Translation won't work on my work computer :evil:

    All you need to know is that, according to one comment

    "evidently some lobby traficone hidden in high places have a vested interest in the free throw mud on the bike"

    Self explanatory, really.

    :lol: Sounds like the guy who serves me at the Double Dragon takeaway.
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  • OffTheBackAdam
    OffTheBackAdam Posts: 1,869
    Google link doesn't work for me either, the Italian website has a "server too busy" message.
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  • nickwill
    nickwill Posts: 2,735
    Details in Cycling News
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/italian-newspaper-reveals-details-of-ferrari-investigation
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  • Doobz
    Doobz Posts: 2,800
    It seems Ferrari used a series of international mobile phones and special IT systems to communicate with his clients

    Skype eh.. Special Stuffs..
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  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    Shizzle...
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    Armstrong, Scarponi and Menchov. Wow, I'd have bet my house those 3 were clean. And Ferrari, this is shocking stuff indeed.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    iainf72 wrote:
    Daniel Friebe just tweeted about some shocked allegations in an Italian paper about doping and money laundering. Menchov / Scarponi / Armstrong and Ferrari named.

    Can't find it online yet.

    This fascination some seem to have with LA just goes on and on .
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,653
    Moray Gub wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Daniel Friebe just tweeted about some shocked allegations in an Italian paper about doping and money laundering. Menchov / Scarponi / Armstrong and Ferrari named.

    Can't find it online yet.

    This fascination some seem to have with LA just goes on and on .

    Why have you picked Armstrong out of the four names quoted then?

    Menchov has 3 GTs, a podium in Paris and was instrumental on helping Cobo to the Vuelta this year.

    This fascination some seem to have with other peoples perceived fascination with LA just goes on and on....
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  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    Moray Gub wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Daniel Friebe just tweeted about some shocked allegations in an Italian paper about doping and money laundering. Menchov / Scarponi / Armstrong and Ferrari named.

    Can't find it online yet.

    This fascination some seem to have with LA just goes on and on .

    There is a light and it never goes out....
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  • jamlala
    jamlala Posts: 284
    Objects in the rear view mirror and all that......jeez must we constantly be looking backwards. Armstrong has retired, move on.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Armstrong? Article says he isn't under investigation.
    Moray's LA radar is on too sensitive a setting again.
    Much more about the Menchov millions, Scarponi and others. A couple of whom are named in a few more bits and pieces, here:
    http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/sto ... nt-company

    Time to wheel out the no sweeping it under the carpet, cringer.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,653
    JamLala wrote:
    Objects in the rear view mirror and all that......jeez must we constantly be looking backwards. Armstrong has retired, move on.

    Menchov hasn't though, nor has Scarponi. Doesn't look like Ferarri has either.
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  • jamlala
    jamlala Posts: 284
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    JamLala wrote:
    Objects in the rear view mirror and all that......jeez must we constantly be looking backwards. Armstrong has retired, move on.

    Menchov hasn't though, nor has Scarponi. Doesn't look like Ferarri has either.

    A fair point, but must LA be brought up at any/every opportunity?!
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,653
    JamLala wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    JamLala wrote:
    Objects in the rear view mirror and all that......jeez must we constantly be looking backwards. Armstrong has retired, move on.

    Menchov hasn't though, nor has Scarponi. Doesn't look like Ferarri has either.

    A fair point, but must LA be brought up at any/every opportunity?!

    Perhaps we should just ignore the fact that LA is currently being investigated with a view to possible criminal prosecution, in a case where some very big names in cycling - past and present - may be called to testify? Perhaps we should ignore that the investigation may point back to corruption in the heart of the UCI, or that current riders, team directors and staff may be drawn in?

    Whatever happens with the LA investigation is going to have an impact on cycling, possibly a huge one. It isn't about whether one man doped or not, it's about the network that allowed/helped him to. That network may well still be alive and kicking - as the Italians are investigating. LA is a piece of the puzzle, and a fairly large one at that, but this is far bigger than him.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    It's the amount that concerns me.
    Over $3 million sounds like a heck of a lot of "product" for one man.
    Either we have Menchov as the bag man for systematic doping,
    or as a dealer middle man.

    So, a large cog in the Ferrari machine.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    It's the amount that concerns me.
    Over $3 million sounds like a heck of a lot of "product" for one man.
    Either we have Menchov as the bag man for systematic doping,
    or as a dealer middle man.

    Or alternatively this could end up like a lot of these things tend to do , that is peter out to nothing but rumour and innuendo. To a lot in here these stories are more to their taste than the actual racing itself.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    It's the amount that concerns me.
    Over $3 million sounds like a heck of a lot of "product" for one man.
    Either we have Menchov as the bag man for systematic doping,
    or as a dealer middle man.

    So, a large cog in the Ferrari machine.


    Or alternatively this could end up like a lot of these things tend to do , that is peter out to nothing but rumour and innuendo. To a lot in here these stories are more to their taste than the actual racing itself.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    It's the amount that concerns me.
    Over $3 million sounds like a heck of a lot of "product" for one man.
    Either we have Menchov as the bag man for systematic doping,
    or as a dealer middle man.

    So, a large cog in the Ferrari machine.


    Or alternatively this could end up like a lot of these things tend to do , that is peter out to nothing but rumour and innuendo. To a lot in here these stories are more to their taste than the actual racing itself.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    It's the amount that concerns me.
    Over $3 million sounds like a heck of a lot of "product" for one man.
    Either we have Menchov as the bag man for systematic doping,
    or as a dealer middle man.

    So, a large cog in the Ferrari machine.


    Or alternatively this could end up like a lot of these things tend to do , that is peter out to nothing but rumour and innuendo. To a lot in here these stories are more to their taste than the actual racing itself.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    It's the amount that concerns me.
    Over $3 million sounds like a heck of a lot of "product" for one man.
    Either we have Menchov as the bag man for systematic doping,
    or as a dealer middle man.

    So, a large cog in the Ferrari machine.


    Or alternatively this could end up like a lot of these things tend to do , that is peter out to nothing but rumour and innuendo. To a lot in here these stories are more to their taste than the actual racing itself.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    It's the amount that concerns me.
    Over $3 million sounds like a heck of a lot of "product" for one man.
    Either we have Menchov as the bag man for systematic doping,
    or as a dealer middle man.

    So, a large cog in the Ferrari machine.


    Or alternatively this could end up like a lot of these things tend to do , that is peter out to nothing but rumour and innuendo. To a lot in here these stories are more to their taste than the actual racing itself.
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !

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