IAMA Police Officer AMA
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legin wrote:canaltowpath ive enjoyed your responses.im also an officer and tried to do a similar thing on another forum but got warned off by an inspector friend of mine from complaints and discipline.
keep it going its nice that we have a voice and i tend to agree with your comments.
I'm in the tea fund at C&D, PSD, Internal Affairs and IPCC, they invite me to their Xmas parties. Always good to have a foot in the enemy camp.0 -
kelsen wrote:Who cares whether or not you're a real police officer, just that you're a cyclist!
1) Complete the phrase: It never get's easier...
2) Who or what should shut up?
3) The correct number of bikes to own is?
Faster
Legs
As many as will fit in my garage, I had 7 last year, two dead ones are down the side of the house one went in a skip.0 -
Canaltowpath wrote:HebdenBiker wrote:Many decent (usually law-abiding) people perceive that the police vigorously enforce the law for petty offences, whilst showing indifference towards them when they are the victims of crime.
Therefore, these people see themselves as soft targets for an "easy collar", whilst the real scrotes, who are undoubtedly more difficult to police, get away with more serious offences.
I could provide examples from personal experience, but I won't bore everyone.
Is this a fair perception?
Yes I agree that it perceived like this but it is for one primary reason.
The Police fail to publicise the everyday successes of arresting and then the later convictions of offenders who have committed more serious offences.
When such stories are released they fail to make the local papers because they are not impactive enough in the minds of the local journos.
The effective of this is that when an otherwise law abiding member of the public is prosecuted/ticketed/advised they fail to see where their minor matter fits into the grand scheme of what is going on in their community and as a result the perception is born.
Police forces are starting to use Twitter and Facebook so avoiding local rags and are so able to provide this information directly and without any journalistic twist.
Gaaaahhh! He's done it again! Greg66, cover your eyes.
Sorry, erm, where were we? Yes, I can see the problem of having to rely on local papers for accurate reporting of crime detection - "Well known scrote apprehended again - now on first name terms with prison canteen staff" doesn't quite have the draw of "War veteran arrested for dropping litter".
ETA: turns out, impactive has been around for years (spotted an 1880 reference on wiktionary) but has only more recently been co-opted by management-speak as another way of saying 'effective'. Evolution of language and all that. Still don't like it.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I've always assumed that if I am caught by a PC doing something I shouldn't be whilst out riding, he will be far more lenient with me once he sees I have a Campag drivetrain. This is true, isn't it? The real weight of the law is reserved for Shimano-scum and SRAM-serfs (must hide my SRAM crankset, I suppose).0
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Is it true there's a spot in a man's head where if you shoot it, it explodes?0
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Have you ever wished you had a gun?
Those convex circular plastic riot shields - can you throw them like Captain America*?
Is it true that motorcycle cops are regarded by regular police as some sort of humourless Gestapo-type sub-division of the regular police?
If you had wanted to retire early and move to a large and well-appointed villa on the beach in the Bahamas, which police force would you have chosen to work for?
Have you ever asked someone who has the hood of their hoodie up whether they are expecting it to rain?
*Like Captain America throws his shield. Not like you throw Captain America. Obviously.0 -
Why does he have to verify he's a police officer? That's a bit OTT isn't it? If you were a carpenter and gave me advice on this forum about hanging a door then I wouldn't ask for some official verification that you were indeed a carpenter! Rolling Eyes
There isn't an offence of 'Impersonating a Carpenter' though is there? :roll: :roll:"Coming through..."0 -
TuckerUK wrote:Why does he have to verify he's a police officer? That's a bit OTT isn't it? If you were a carpenter and gave me advice on this forum about hanging a door then I wouldn't ask for some official verification that you were indeed a carpenter! Rolling Eyes
There isn't an offence of 'Impersonating a Carpenter' though is there? :roll: :roll:
Oh dear I think We've Only Just Begun and you should Make It Easy On Yourself and let A Kind Of Hush come over this topic.
I'll get my coat.0 -
How often do you find yourself pretty confident of knowing the perpetrator of a crime (circumstantial evidence, intelligence, inadmissable evidence etc) but unable to seek a prosecution because you can't prove it?
NB: I'm absolutely not suggesting that people should be convicted on the basis of flimsy evidence, just wondering how many people "get away with it" due to lack of proof...Pannier, 120rpm.0 -
TGOTB wrote:How often do you find yourself pretty confident of knowing the perpetrator of a crime (circumstantial evidence, intelligence, inadmissable evidence etc) but unable to seek a prosecution because you can't prove it?
NB: I'm absolutely not suggesting that people should be convicted on the basis of flimsy evidence, just wondering how many people "get away with it" due to lack of proof...
Very often.
There are now so many checks and balances in place prior to a charge being considered by the CPS, that by the time a prosecution decision is taken, the evidence is often very very strong.
There are sound financial reasons for this, it reduces court and legal costs for the prosecution and defence (read Legal Aid) by increasing the chances of a guilty plea at an early stage.
On the flipside cases which once went to a jury when the evidence was less strong but where 'it's obvious he did it' are not proceeded with or are bartered down to a lesser charge which attracts an early guilty plea.
Justice has a price.........cheap.
I should add that by adopting this strategy the CPS can claim to have a high rate of conviction whilst conveniently failing to mention that for every case they agreed to prosecute they refused a second.
Lies, damned lies and statistics.0 -
Stanley222 wrote:Do you know absolutely everything there is to know in your job?! The law is very complex so you can't expect a police officer to know all of it - that's what reference books are for! Traffic officers would know as they specialise in traffic!
Why does he have to verify he's a police officer? That's a bit OTT isn't it? If you were a carpenter and gave me advice on this forum about hanging a door then I wouldn't ask for some official verification that you were indeed a carpenter!
First point, no I don't. However, I drive a car and ride a bike and know the highcode as I'm required to do. A police officer should know this even if only so they can obey the rules when driving their car. Bugger all to do with the law being complex it about knowing the rules of the road. All this has done is prove the point that not that many people understand what an ASL is and how to use it. It doesn't help that the police don't know either and just for reference one of the police officers that got the law wrong in regard to ASL when explaining it to me in was a met traffic cop on a motorbike, who believe the law stated that crossing the first line even on red was not an offence provided they stopped at second line.
Second point, simply put there are lot of people pretending to be something they are not on the internet, I learnt a very long time ago not to take the internet at face value, if someone wants to come on here and claim they are something, anything in fact, expect me to ask for proof in exactly the same way I often ask people for thier source when making anouncements. If the OP is who they say they are I cannot see any reason why they would not want to prove it. He / She should be able to do so without identifying themselves, indeed one method a police forum quoted earlier has already been mentioned. He / She doesn't have to prove anything however the lack of proof leads me at least to assign a lack of credability to the advice.--
Chris
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Sketchley wrote:Stanley222 wrote:Do you know absolutely everything there is to know in your job?! The law is very complex so you can't expect a police officer to know all of it - that's what reference books are for! Traffic officers would know as they specialise in traffic!
Why does he have to verify he's a police officer? That's a bit OTT isn't it? If you were a carpenter and gave me advice on this forum about hanging a door then I wouldn't ask for some official verification that you were indeed a carpenter!
First point, no I don't. However, I drive a car and ride a bike and know the highcode as I'm required to do. A police officer should know this even if only so they can obey the rules when driving their car. Bugger all to do with the law being complex it about knowing the rules of the road. All this has done is prove the point that not that many people understand what an ASL is and how to use it. It doesn't help that the police don't know either and just for reference one of the police officers that got the law wrong in regard to ASL when explaining it to me in was a met traffic cop on a motorbike, who believe the law stated that crossing the first line even on red was not an offence provided they stopped at second line.
Second point, simply put there are lot of people pretending to be something they are not on the internet, I learnt a very long time ago not to take the internet at face value, if someone wants to come on here and claim they are something, anything in fact, expect me to ask for proof in exactly the same way I often ask people for thier source when making anouncements. If the OP is who they say they are I cannot see any reason why they would not want to prove it. He / She should be able to do so without identifying themselves, indeed one method a police forum quoted earlier has already been mentioned. He / She doesn't have to prove anything however the lack of proof leads me at least to assign a lack of credability to the advice.
It's difficult to say this without appearing condescending but calm down, there is a lot of anger in you and it needs an outlet, I find cycling is a good release.
On the subject of impersonating a Carpenter I'm off to Leeds City Varieties on the 18th, this lot are going down..........
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ddraver wrote:OK Sketchley, off you go then, we ll see you later.
Canaltowpath - please continue...
+2"That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college! " - Homer0 -
Oh well, fair cop. I'm out of here. Re-reading the OP I still don't think this person a police officer. But please carry on without me.--
Chris
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It is all well and good suspecting him of not being who he claims to be but we need cold hard evidence which will stand up in court and has a greater than 98% chance of a successful conviction before we will even come out and investigate. In fact we can't even give you a crime number as we aren't even sure a crime has been committed.
Besides all "impersonating a police officer" offences are now dealt with by the local council along with "driving on the wrong side of keep left bollard" offences (see other thread). And the council can't help as it has gone past 3.30 pm so they have all gone home for the day plus the man (or woman) who deals with it won't be back for a month as they are on a fact finding mission in some twin town somewhere in Europe for the next 6 weeks.0 -
I'm torn.
The case for him being a police officer is compelling due to his use of words such as 'impactive' and phrases such as 'the effective of this'.
On the other hand, he appears to have a sense of humour.
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My question is: When is he going to join the FNRTTC? Sketchley, come back and enlighten the man
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Can't believe this thread is at 6 pages and Spen still hasn't posted.
Could someone pop round his place and check he isn't trapped under something.
Ta“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
merkin wrote:It is all well and good suspecting him of not being who he claims to be but we need cold hard evidence which will stand up in court and has a greater than 98% chance of a successful conviction before we will even come out and investigate. In fact we can't even give you a crime number as we aren't even sure a crime has been committed.
Besides all "impersonating a police officer" offences are now dealt with by the local council along with "driving on the wrong side of keep left bollard" offences (see other thread). And the council can't help as it has gone past 3.30 pm so they have all gone home for the day plus the man (or woman) who deals with it won't be back for a month as they are on a fact finding mission in some twin town somewhere in Europe for the next 6 weeks. 0 -
Canaltowpath wrote:HebdenBiker wrote:Many decent (usually law-abiding) people perceive that the police vigorously enforce the law for petty offences, whilst showing indifference towards them when they are the victims of crime.
Therefore, these people see themselves as soft targets for an "easy collar", whilst the real scrotes, who are undoubtedly more difficult to police, get away with more serious offences.
I could provide examples from personal experience, but I won't bore everyone.
Is this a fair perception?
Yes I agree that it perceived like this but it is for one primary reason.
The Police fail to publicise the everyday successes of arresting and then the later convictions of offenders who have committed more serious offences.
I think it's more than that. On the handful of occasions I have been a victim of crime, the police have never done anything about it, depsite independent witnesses, CCTV evidence, etc etc.
I would have been delighted to read on Twitter "Police arrest man who crashed into back of parked car then drove off", but I never will, because the police did not arrest him, despite me telling them who he was and where he lived, and giving them details of an independent witness who also saw the whole thing.
I would have loved to have read on Facebook "Police arrest youths who stole teacher's wallet then went on spending spree round Rochdale" but I never will, because the police never investigated it, despite me offering to identify the criminals (my students) from CCTV footage in JJB sports, where the criminals had been attempting to use my credit card to buy trainers. JJB Sports had the footage. They offered to let me view it with the police. The police could not be arsed.
I would have loved to have read in the local paper "police arrest drunk who exposed himself to woman and toddler in the park", but in this case, despite two officers witnessing the crime, and my wife asking them to move the man on, the officers instead told my wife off "he's got just as much right to be in the park as you have, madam", then walked off.
So no, I don't think it's just a case of "the police do a great job but the public don't know about it". Many people's experience of the police is that they don't do a great job at all.0 -
+1So no, I don't think it's just a case of "the police do a great job but the public don't know about it". Many people's experience of the police is that they don't do a great job at all.0 -
The truth, as it often is, is somewhere between the two.anyuser wrote:
+1So no, I don't think it's just a case of "the police do a great job but the public don't know about it". Many people's experience of the police is that they don't do a great job at all."That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college! " - Homer0 -
Greg66 wrote:Have you ever wished you had a gun?
Those convex circular plastic riot shields - can you throw them like Captain America*?
Is it true that motorcycle cops are regarded by regular police as some sort of humourless Gestapo-type sub-division of the regular police?
If you had wanted to retire early and move to a large and well-appointed villa on the beach in the Bahamas, which police force would you have chosen to work for?
Have you ever asked someone who has the hood of their hoodie up whether they are expecting it to rain?
*Like Captain America throws his shield. Not like you throw Captain America. Obviously.
These questions need answering!0 -
anyuser wrote:
+1So no, I don't think it's just a case of "the police do a great job but the public don't know about it". Many people's experience of the police is that they don't do a great job at all.
I hate to say it, but +2
Many Police officers that deal with the really low level crimes that affect the very people that they draw their support from aren't really interested and they go to some effort to avoid doing their job. Even when someone else does the work for them, is a sound witness, and when the evidence is provided nicely wrapped and easy to process they can't be bothered to follow it up.
I'm afraid that I know too any people that have become disillusioned with the institution that they naturally support because they've found it to be inept and lazy when they needed it.0 -
Stanley222 wrote:TuckerUK wrote:Why does he have to verify he's a police officer? That's a bit OTT isn't it? If you were a carpenter and gave me advice on this forum about hanging a door then I wouldn't ask for some official verification that you were indeed a carpenter! Rolling Eyes
There isn't an offence of 'Impersonating a Carpenter' though is there? :roll: :roll:
Surely the offence of impersonating a police officer relates to doing something in person or something official? ie - Someone comes to your door or workplace and deceives you into believing they are an officer for some sort of gain. Surely someone giving their own PERSONAL opinion on policing so are therefore not posting giving answers on behalf of the police isn't commiting an offence?!!
my dad was a cop, I can safely assume I wouldn't have gotten into trouble mimicking or impersonating him at the timePurveyor of sonic doom
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