Gary Neville - England.

rick_chasey
rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
edited August 2011 in The bottom bracket
Saw this quote from his book today. Raised an eyebrow.

Chatting about time with Glenn Hoddle as manager of England.
When the 1998 World Cup started, some of the players started taking injections from Glenn's favourite medic, a Frenchman called Dr Rougier. It was different from anything we'd done at United, but all above board, I'm sure.

"After some of the lads said they'd felt a real burst of energy, I decided to seize any help on offer. So many of the players decided to go for it before that Argentina match that there was a queue to see the doctor.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... enn-hoddle

(posted this in commuting but figured I'd get more pick up in road...)
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  • inkyfingers
    inkyfingers Posts: 4,400
    Sorry, but I fail to see how a professional sportsperson could be so naive as to allow themselves to be injected with an unknown substance. Either he's just thick, or the drug testing in football is so lax as to be irrelevant, or more likely both.
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  • edhornby
    edhornby Posts: 1,780
    http://www.focuspr.co.uk/blog/tag/dr-yann-rougier/

    turboslim !!!
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Zidane said something very similiar about his time at Juventus didn't he? That was around 1998 too.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Same year as Festina...
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  • Yossie
    Yossie Posts: 2,600
    CAVEAT: I don't know if any of this is true but its intriguing.

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FERGUSON' ... a060639573

    Anyway, anything that makes the purple nosed greedy angry Glaswegian alcoholic even more angry is fine by me ………..
  • shockedsoshocked
    shockedsoshocked Posts: 4,021
    But footballers don't dope :roll: :wink:
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  • AidanR
    AidanR Posts: 1,142
    Yossie wrote:
    CAVEAT: I don't know if any of this is true but its intriguing.

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/FERGUSON' ... a060639573

    Anyway, anything that makes the purple nosed greedy angry Glaswegian alcoholic even more angry is fine by me ………..

    I love this quote from that article:

    "An injection of chemicals into the bloodstream can increase red cells which significantly boost energy levels but this method has been ruled illegal in some other sports."
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I'm just surprised that a) he even published that and b) it hasn't been picked up on by a discerning journalist (publicly at least).
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Are there any discerning journalists that write about football? I wonder if St. David was involved....

    (plus, the team may have been on PED's then but still got beat! :twisted: )
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    You sometimes wonder about doping in football when watching teams like Barcelona cover roughly twice as much field as their similarly professional, well drilled, well trained, athlete opponents.
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  • lostboysaint
    lostboysaint Posts: 4,250
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    I'm just surprised that a) he even published that and b) it hasn't been picked up on by a discerning journalist (publicly at least).

    Are you? As I wrote when you put this in the "football" thread yesterday, no-one in the media is interested in messing with the "National game"TM - unless it's in their own interests of course!!!
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  • OffTheBackAdam
    OffTheBackAdam Posts: 1,869
    Didn't Wenger note that the players he'd bought from Italian teams, had higher Hct than his existing team members?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    OffTheBackAdam wrote:
    Didn't Wenger note that the players he'd bought from Italian teams, had higher Hct than his existing team members?

    Oo source please.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    http://www.footballfancast.com/2011/05/ ... ing-claims


    Paul Merson claims to have an unkown substance injected into him whilst at Arsenal.

    Sounds similar to Neville, though Neville wasn't complaining.
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  • edhornby
    edhornby Posts: 1,780
    OffTheBackAdam wrote:
    Didn't Wenger note that the players he'd bought from Italian teams, had higher Hct than his existing team members?

    I remember something like that, he said that some of them were quite blatantly using PEDs from the analysis they did - ironically the doctor in question is now providing his services as a sports dietician to Arsenal if you believe the PR in the link I found
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    http://www.footballfancast.com/2011/05/football-news/wenger-denies-merson-doping-claims


    Paul Merson claims to have an unkown substance injected into him whilst at Arsenal.

    Sounds similar to Neville, though Neville wasn't complaining.

    Probably a lot happened to Paul Merson while at Arsenal that was unknown; he'll be the first to admit his time there was 66% a drunken blur.

    There have been a good few cases of doping/steroids/whatever technical term in football over the past 20 years.

    Italian teams were embroiled in it and just recently we have seen Kolo Touré serve an 18month ban from the game.

    Names that spring to my mind are:

    Edgar Davids (Juventus);
    Jaap Stam (Lazio);
    Rio Ferdinand (the missed test!) (United);
    Kolo Touré (Arsenal);
    Frank De Boer (Barcelona);
    Sergei Sokolov (FK Karabakh);
    Nuno Assis (Benfica);
    Marco Borriello (AC Milan); and now...
    the Mexican group.
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  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    OffTheBackAdam wrote:
    Didn't Wenger note that the players he'd bought from Italian teams, had higher Hct than his existing team members?

    Oo source please.

    I don't have a source to offer but I've read that before as well.

    There are a fair few articles available on the Juventus case, the doctor involved was jailed over it. Henry came to Arsenal in 1999...from Juventus.
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    This is old news. It was well documented at the time that Hoddle was giving the players creatine injections. It wasn't a banned substance.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Fair enough.
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  • zippypablo
    zippypablo Posts: 398
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    http://www.footballfancast.com/2011/05/football-news/wenger-denies-merson-doping-claims


    Paul Merson claims to have an unkown substance injected into him whilst at Arsenal.

    Sounds similar to Neville, though Neville wasn't complaining.

    Probably a lot happened to Paul Merson while at Arsenal that was unknown; he'll be the first to admit his time there was 66% a drunken blur.

    There have been a good few cases of doping/steroids/whatever technical term in football over the past 20 years.

    Italian teams were embroiled in it and just recently we have seen Kolo Touré serve an 18month ban from the game.

    Names that spring to my mind are:

    Edgar Davids (Juventus);
    Jaap Stam (Lazio);
    Rio Ferdinand (the missed test!) (United);
    Kolo Touré (Arsenal);
    Frank De Boer (Barcelona);
    Sergei Sokolov (FK Karabakh);
    Nuno Assis (Benfica);
    Marco Borriello (AC Milan); and now...
    the Mexican group.
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  • zippypablo
    zippypablo Posts: 398
    Kolo Toure is serving a 6 month ban. Most of it during the close season. I think he misses arond 10-12 games. Still, I'm sure the 200k a week softens the blow.
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  • Nuggs
    Nuggs Posts: 1,804
    antfly wrote:
    creatine injections
    Wot that stuff you use to paint the shed?
  • avoidingmyphd
    avoidingmyphd Posts: 1,154
    antfly wrote:
    This is old news. It was well documented at the time that Hoddle was giving the players creatine injections. It wasn't a banned substance.
    It was also documented at the time that the FA said they were "vitamin mineral" injections to correct deficiencies - see Yossie's (broken but it'll cut n paste) link.
    If you have a source that says the same injection was creatine, then someone was definitely lying. Why?

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