What to replace my Nevegals with?

lochussie
lochussie Posts: 276
edited August 2011 in MTB buying advice
The 2.1 folding dual compound Nevegals on my hardtail (so that's towpath to light AM) have worn out. The only issues I have had are slightly pinbally front end when bashing through rocks (though maybe I have to accept this on this kind of bike) and too much rear snakebite even with freeride tubes and 40psi. I really like how easy they are to get on and off. So any suggestions for replacements, all conditions, year round?

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  • widge34
    widge34 Posts: 900
    You will find it hard to find a tyre that suits all conditions. I replaced my Nevegals with Maxxis High Rollers 2.35. 42a super tacky on front and 60a on rear running both at 30psi. They are fantastic tyres and fill me with confidence when cornering. I have read though that they are not too good in sloppy mud.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    Anything is better than Nevagrips. I replcaed mine with High Rollers, big improvement
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  • bluechair84
    bluechair84 Posts: 4,352
    widge34 wrote:
    You will find it hard to find a tyre that suits all conditions. I replaced my Nevegals with Maxxis High Rollers 2.35. 42a super tacky on front and 60a on rear running both at 30psi. They are fantastic tyres and fill me with confidence when cornering. I have read though that they are not too good in sloppy mud.

    /\ this. I'm a tight arse and don't change my tyres for the seasons, I don't mind the highrollers in mud but they slide very easily on wet roots (an issue not easily solved).
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  • lochussie
    lochussie Posts: 276
    I find the grip on Nevegals ok. Any downsides to High Roller relative to Nevegal? More or less snakebite?
  • widge34
    widge34 Posts: 900
    I think there is a little more drag with the rollers, but they more and make up for it with the grip they give.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    Highrollers do struggle when it gets muddy. I have got a set of Bontrager XR4's on one of my bikes which seem to work in pretty much all conditions & only cost £20 each. They are huge though, my 2.2 XR4's are more like 2.4.
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  • lochussie
    lochussie Posts: 276
    TBH I would go Nevegal again if it wasn't for the snakebite. What's a good tyre for this? Or are most the same and Nevegals worse? Is a Maxxis 2.1 narrower than a Kenda?
  • lostboysaint
    lostboysaint Posts: 4,250
    What compound Nevegals did you have? Try the StickE compound. Or go to the Panaracer Rampage SC.
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  • ride_whenever
    ride_whenever Posts: 13,279
    Unless you ride like an animal and weigh loads then you should snakebite at 40psi...

    Try floating over rocks rather than bashing into them.
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  • toasty
    toasty Posts: 2,598
    you should snakebite at 40psi

    Typo? ;)

    In all honesty I don't find High Rollers and Nevegals hugely different, aside from the width. 2.1" Nevegal sits much closer to the 2.35" High Roller than it's 2.1" version. Both have a very similar tread, I used to find the Nevs hard work but I've had some on my 29er for a while now and they've been fine to be honest.

    You're going to slip on wet roots regardless when it gets muddy. Your best bet would be a proper mud tyre on the front when it gets bad. Hitting roots at an angle your back end will shoot out and straighten up with the root, after a few times this becomes very predictable.
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  • lochussie
    lochussie Posts: 276
    Toasty: do you find the High Roller less snakebite prone? How much wider is the 2.35 HR than 2.1 Nev? I've got some 2.4 Maxxis Ardents on another bike and they are much wider (though could that be the rim?).
    ride_whenever wrote:
    Try floating over rocks rather than bashing into them.
    How do you float over 20m sections of steep jagged bedrock?
  • warrerj
    warrerj Posts: 665
    Conti with Black chilli compound. the tyre tred is up to you depending on what you like in a tyre. For fast rolling maybe X King / RaceKing combo or for more grip XKing/Mountain King combo.

    If you want a more AM tyre then you won't go far wrong with Rubber Queens. IMO Conti are far better tyres than Maxxis BUT make sure it's Black Chilli compound.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    lochussie wrote:
    How do you float over 20m sections of steep jagged bedrock?
    By using bike-fu to pick a smoother line and unweighting over the bigger hits.

    There really is no single tyre that works everywhere. Unfortunately, I thought I'd found it in the Continental mountain king 2 - which HAS worked brilliantly everywhere for me so far, apart from on the wet bedrock in Llandegla where it's like riding on ice :lol:
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    lochussie wrote:
    TBH I would go Nevegal again if it wasn't for the snakebite. What's a good tyre for this? Or are most the same and Nevegals worse? Is a Maxxis 2.1 narrower than a Kenda?

    Nevegal does snakebite easier than many tyres, they have a pretty lightweight construction. Tradeoff is, well, they're lightweight ;)

    2.1 Nevegal is almost as big as a 2.35 Highroller btw, Maxxis tyres are measured by a blind man on a galloping horse. Highrollers and Minions are both good tyres though, classic allrounders.

    I'm still trying out the Specialized Eskar 2.3 as a front tyre, it's one of my favourite rears and I've been impressed on the front so far... Solid grip, good light weight, durable, and not too draggy. Not really given it a proper hard test yet but it's been good for what it's done so far. And when it does slide, it does it in a really nice controlled way and regrips well, which makes you feel like a god ;)
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  • 1340jas
    1340jas Posts: 217
    I have used the 2.35 StickE and the normal compound Nevegals. I run them anywhere between 30 and 40 psi depending on the conditions. I ride at Cwmcarn where they put water on the roots and rocks most days to enhance the ride. They work great for me and I have never had pinch flats etc.
    I am running Maxxis High rollers at the moment and I think they are much the same as the Nevegals but will try to get nevegals next time round as they seem to last a bit longer.
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    The 2.35 stick-e is pretty damn slow though... One of my favourite tyres but not perfect.
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  • toasty
    toasty Posts: 2,598
    lochussie wrote:
    Toasty: do you find the High Roller less snakebite prone? How much wider is the 2.35 HR than 2.1 Nev? I've got some 2.4 Maxxis Ardents on another bike and they are much wider (though could that be the rim?).
    ride_whenever wrote:
    Try floating over rocks rather than bashing into them.
    How do you float over 20m sections of steep jagged bedrock?

    Width wise 2.25" Ardent is similar to 2.35" High Roller, which is only fractionally bigger than 2.1" Nevegal. Ardents sizing is completely different the High Rollers, they swapped across to a newer system with the newer tyres (just to keep everyone bewildered).

    I do prefer the 2.35" High Rollers to be honest, but it may just be psychological :)
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