GARMIN unveil POWER PEDALS

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,816
    I'm with CJ in thinking that you should have already shelled out a fair bit on frame and wheels before a power meter of any kind is going to be of real benefit, especially at that kind of (could buy a whole new perfectly decent bike) money. But then if you are a serious enough cyclist to be looking to use a power meter, then you are likely to be in that category anyway.

    As regards the issues of pedal/cleat wear affecting accuracy, surely this would affect the accuracy of any power meter,. whether chainset or wheel based. If you are that worried about accuracy, then you should keep your pedals and cleats in tip top condition to avoid wasting any power.
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Not a lot of love for Look and/or KEO cleats in this thread, by the looks of things. Some bad experiences?
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  • il_principe
    il_principe Posts: 9,155
    I'm with CJ on this. Deep rimmed wheels do make a noticeable difference at speed. I had a similar experience in RP along roads I've ridden countless times. They are faster. My deep rim wheels (FFWD's carbon body, alu rim) are heavier than my Fulcrum 0's, but the aero benefit outweighs the weight disadvantage. Doesn't current wisdom suggest that aero is more important than weight for many rides - big climbs aside? Whatever, my FFWD's get used all the time now.
  • essex-commuter
    essex-commuter Posts: 2,188
    Il Principe wrote:
    I'm with CJ on this. Deep rimmed wheels do make a noticeable difference at speed. I had a similar experience in RP along roads I've ridden countless times. They are faster. My deep rim wheels (FFWD's carbon body, alu rim) are heavier than my Fulcrum 0's, but the aero benefit outweighs the weight disadvantage. Doesn't current wisdom suggest that aero is more important than weight for many rides - big climbs aside? Whatever, my FFWD's get used all the time now.

    My Cosmic Carbones or Zipp 404's make me FEEL faster...that has to account for something! :D
  • dhope
    dhope Posts: 6,699
    essex-commuter wrote:
    My Cosmic Catbones or Zipp 404's make me FEEL faster...that has to account for something! :D

    Are cat bones noticeably more aero?

    Edit: Oi, you fixed it :D
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  • essex-commuter
    essex-commuter Posts: 2,188
    dhope wrote:

    Edit: Oi, you fixed it :D

    Yeah spotted it quick (and prior to your post!)! :lol::lol:

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  • curium
    curium Posts: 815
    Excuse my ignorance: Are Look/Keo cleats not compatible with SPD-SL cleats?
  • cjcp
    cjcp Posts: 13,345
    curium wrote:
    Excuse my ignorance: Are Look/Keo cleats not compatible with SPD-SL cleats?

    No, Keo pedals (so, I guess, Keo-compatible pedals, too) are not compatible with SPD-SL cleats.
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    cjcp wrote:
    It seems to be accepted that the best upgrade to your bike after your frame is to your wheelset. So, at the end of the day, if I was asked to get from A to B as fast as I could, and to choose between a pair of pedals and a carbon wheelset to achieve this, I know which one I'd choose. That's why my original point was that you're better off with a great wheelset before buying the pedals. I'd probably even buy a second wheelset before buying these pedals at their present price-point.

    Ultimately, this is a debate about whether you go faster by upgrading your bike or upgrading yourself! I can see that any change of equipment on a bike (even going from better wheels to worse wheels) can improve your bike handling skills - however, for a mere mortal I think that the best I can hope to achieve by that is a few minutes on a hundred mile ride. But I look at the times on sportives of people who finish over two hours ahead of me and I suspect I have far more potential for improvement physically than anything I can get from my gear. As Lance said....... (no, I can't bring myself to quote the cliche but you know what I mean :lol: )

    Incidentally, point taken about flexiness of wheels. Just shows you have to account for personal specifications; I weigh less than 10 stone. Neutrons are easily as stiff as I need.

    And as for aero - since it isn't (as far as I understand it) the rim that makes aero rims fast but the shorter spoke length, presumably I might do just as well with a lower spoke count rim with bladed spokes - best of both worlds?
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  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Ben6899 wrote:
    Not a lot of love for Look and/or KEO cleats in this thread, by the looks of things. Some bad experiences?

    Usually just the softness of the cleats. Otherwise I like them but I only use them on my best bike. Possibly no bad thing to have soft cleats in this circumstance since better to wear the cleats out than the pedals!

    Not sure why no-one appears to have made aftermarket more durable Look compatible cleats though. Or are the ones you can get tougher but no one has realised yet?!!
    Faster than a tent.......
  • Andrew Coggan
    Andrew Coggan Posts: 16
    Greg66 wrote:
    JonGinge wrote:
    Actually excited that Garmin may add power metrics to the Connect website though. Things like NP, IF, TSS will be cool to see.

    I wonder about that. I think NP (and possibly the others) are proprietary calculations the use of which require a royalty payment to Andrew Coggan.

    You might think that, but you'd be wrong:

    https://forums.garmin.com/showpost.php? ... ostcount=4

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