dont blame wiggle blame blackberry

mark63

Well there we go, it wasn't wiggles fault, the riots can be blamed on blackberry users.
thank feck we've got that cleared up.

What a surprise social networks have been used to organise riots, not exactly rocket science when for the last 18 months social networks have been used across the world to report & organise protesting and riots in the middle east or have I got it wrong again :oops:

Crapaud

mark63 wrote:

Well there we go, it wasn't wiggles fault, the riots can be blamed on blackberry users.
thank feck we've got that cleared up.

What a surprise social networks have been used to organise riots, not exactly rocket science when for the last 18 months social networks have been used across the world to report & organise protesting and riots in the middle east or have I got it wrong again :oops:

I think you'll find that they were Burberry users using anti-social networks.

Jez mon

I like the idea that a lot of the rioters where struggling to pay for the basics, but still had enough money for smart phones...

I mean, if only those rioters had some unnecessary expense which they could cut out and use to help contribute to the food bill...

MountainMonster

Jez mon wrote:

I like the idea that a lot of the rioters where struggling to pay for the basics, but still had enough money for smart phones...

I mean, if only those rioters had some unnecessary expense which they could cut out and use to help contribute to the food bill...

If you think about it though, take out a contract for 15 a month, you get a free smart phone. Only saying......

Jez mon

MountainMonster wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

I like the idea that a lot of the rioters where struggling to pay for the basics, but still had enough money for smart phones...

I mean, if only those rioters had some unnecessary expense which they could cut out and use to help contribute to the food bill...

If you think about it though, take out a contract for 15 a month, you get a free smart phone. Only saying......

Or get a cheaper phone on PAYG use it as little as possible...(say, £5 top up per month) and use the £10 saved on food

Or heaven forbid, go without a mobile, if they are struggling that much for food...

guinea

Double standards.

During the Middle East uprisings the social network was hailed as bringing in a new era of democracy and communication by our media whilst their governments did everyting to stop it.

Fast forward a month and now our media is blaming the violence on twitter and our government is exploring options on how to limit our freedoms.

verylonglegs

MountainMonster wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

I like the idea that a lot of the rioters where struggling to pay for the basics, but still had enough money for smart phones...

I mean, if only those rioters had some unnecessary expense which they could cut out and use to help contribute to the food bill...

If you think about it though, take out a contract for 15 a month, you get a free smart phone. Only saying......

You need a credit check for a contract phone which usually entails employment. I thought all the professions of the people going through the courts had proved this wasn't a riot by the jobless poor anyway? I said it was people stealing and taking the p1ss just for the sake of it after the second night but the anti-tory types were desperate to talk it up as a revolution against government. Ed Milliband went up hugely in my estimation for being smart enough to look a bit deeper and not go down that route.

MountainMonster

Jez mon wrote:

MountainMonster wrote:

Jez mon wrote:

I like the idea that a lot of the rioters where struggling to pay for the basics, but still had enough money for smart phones...

I mean, if only those rioters had some unnecessary expense which they could cut out and use to help contribute to the food bill...

If you think about it though, take out a contract for 15 a month, you get a free smart phone. Only saying......

Or get a cheaper phone on PAYG use it as little as possible...(say, £5 top up per month) and use the £10 saved on food

Or heaven forbid, go without a mobile, if they are struggling that much for food...

While you have a point as well, I doubt many people are really in a position to where 5 or 10 pound a month is really going to mean a huge difference in their life.

chiark

MountainMonster wrote:

I doubt many people are really in a position to where 5 or 10 pound a month is really going to mean a huge difference in their life.

Good grief man, that's the difference between the "ultimate" sky package with HD everything and having to make do with just Sky Sports, Movies, and all the other stuff the "complete" pack gets you.

Have some compassion.

Stewie Griffin

Wiggle used blackberry messaging to get them to turn 2 Evans stores over.

batch78

I think you'll find prohibiting the 'poor' a smart phone contravenes their human rights, how dare any of you in this post New Labour, all conquering ConDem conspiricy suggest otherwise!

MichaelW

Top Tips for riotous yoof:
Dont break info DJ sports to steal expensive Nikes: Just wear some cheap but sensible Hi Tec Silver Shadows.

neiltb

guinea wrote:

Double standards.

During the Middle East uprisings the social network was hailed as bringing in a new era of democracy and communication by our media whilst their governments did everyting to stop it.

Fast forward a month and now our media is blaming the violence on twitter and our government is exploring options on how to limit our freedoms.

+1, they'll be stopping the phones working at all next if 'social networking' is banned. It's all in the name of your safety though so it's fine.

verylonglegs

neiltb wrote:

guinea wrote:

Double standards.

During the Middle East uprisings the social network was hailed as bringing in a new era of democracy and communication by our media whilst their governments did everyting to stop it.

Fast forward a month and now our media is blaming the violence on twitter and our government is exploring options on how to limit our freedoms.

+1, they'll be stopping the phones working at all next if 'social networking' is banned. It's all in the name of your safety though so it's fine.

Whilst I agree with attempting to curtail social media is a waste of useful energy I have to say this comparison is ridiculous, a political struggle for rights and living conditions versus people stealing consumer electronics and sportswear...seriously? I heard someone who was at Tahir square saying this on the radio, they were angry at those attempting to draw similiarities.

neiltb

verylonglegs wrote:

neiltb wrote:

guinea wrote:

Double standards.

During the Middle East uprisings the social network was hailed as bringing in a new era of democracy and communication by our media whilst their governments did everyting to stop it.

Fast forward a month and now our media is blaming the violence on twitter and our government is exploring options on how to limit our freedoms.

+1, they'll be stopping the phones working at all next if 'social networking' is banned. It's all in the name of your safety though so it's fine.

Whilst I agree with attempting to curtail social media is a waste of useful energy I have to say this comparison is ridiculous, a political struggle for rights and living conditions versus people stealing consumer electronics and sportswear...seriously? I heard someone who was at Tahir square saying this on the radio, they were angry at those attempting to draw similiarities.

you can think it's ridiculous if you want and yes the situations here are different, but, if a law allowing this is passed and at some point in the future the UK govt does something abhorrent that you and many others disagree with and they attempt to withhold democratic process and remove your ability to arrange protest. Don't come crying to me.

It's a slippery slope, a kneejerk reaction.

neiltb

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rick_chasey

neiltb wrote:

It's a slippery slope, a kneejerk reaction.

There's a reason brits have knobbly knees.

They do a lot 'kneejerking'.

verylonglegs

neiltb wrote:

verylonglegs wrote:

neiltb wrote:

guinea wrote:

Double standards.

During the Middle East uprisings the social network was hailed as bringing in a new era of democracy and communication by our media whilst their governments did everyting to stop it.

Fast forward a month and now our media is blaming the violence on twitter and our government is exploring options on how to limit our freedoms.

+1, they'll be stopping the phones working at all next if 'social networking' is banned. It's all in the name of your safety though so it's fine.

Whilst I agree with attempting to curtail social media is a waste of useful energy I have to say this comparison is ridiculous, a political struggle for rights and living conditions versus people stealing consumer electronics and sportswear...seriously? I heard someone who was at Tahir square saying this on the radio, they were angry at those attempting to draw similiarities.

you can think it's ridiculous if you want and yes the situations here are different, but, if a law allowing this is passed and at some point in the future the UK govt does something abhorrent that you and many others disagree with and they attempt to withhold democratic process and remove your ability to arrange protest. Don't come crying to me.

It's a slippery slope, a kneejerk reaction.

How many walked through London against the Iraq war? Organising a protest isn't the problem, getting someone to take note is. Anyway, protests existed long before twitter and facebook, they only facilitate them. And yes, it is totally ridiculous to compare the two.

neiltb

they can only facilitate protest if they are permitted to. Maybe I should get a job as an internet snoop for yhe UK govt.

you think it's ridiculous, I don't. 'Tis amazing being allowed contrary opinion.

verylonglegs

neiltb wrote:

they can only facilitate protest if they are permitted to. Maybe I should get a job as an internet snoop for yhe UK govt.

you think it's ridiculous, I don't. 'Tis amazing being allowed contrary opinion.

I'm sure they've already plenty. I don't get all this concern, there are already loads of laws in place regarding protests and for surveillance to counteract these actions so you are about 5 years too late. Like I said, I agee talk of attempting to restrict the social media is daft as it is not addressing the real problem. I just find the comparison with Syrians being shot by their own army utterly cringeworthy.

neiltb

nobody mentioned syria until you did. As for being 5 years too late to the surveillance game, it's been going on for longer than I've been around I'm sure.

You give the govt the power to restrict the internet/messaging in times of 'unrest' (riot/protest who differentiates, the guy in charge?) and they can make the leap that the phones should be cut off and the hail the boss tape should be played on all remaining media.

StillGoing

It had fek all to do with need. No one was still stealing food. All they were interested in was wanton damage with no regard for anyone inside and nicking as much stuff as they could. There was no ideal involved other than I want and I'm going to get it. The bigger the sentence the better for these thieving scumbags.

verylonglegs

neiltb wrote:

guinea wrote:

Double standards.

During the Middle East uprisings the social network was hailed as bringing in a new era of democracy and communication by our media whilst their governments did everyting to stop it.

Fast forward a month and now our media is blaming the violence on twitter and our government is exploring options on how to limit our freedoms.

+1, they'll be stopping the phones working at all next if 'social networking' is banned. It's all in the name of your safety though so it's fine.

neiltb wrote:

nobody mentioned syria until you did.

Is there another middle east I don't know about then? :?

neiltb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East

contains a number of countries, Egypt being one, the West was extremely critical of the internet, mobile service being turned off and several tech companies provided hosting to keep them running.

shouldbeinbed

The cleanups were organised & publicised via social media. I know a lot of people who were tweeting to highlight problems to help innocent people trying to get home or out of the area avoid the feral gangs & muggers.

The cops have had praise for their use of SM during the trouble (not from the politico's obviously) & turning social media off puts Cameron & co on a par with the oppressive regimes they condemn.

Also these things will find a way & always have done. Rave culture of the 90s. Riots & flying pickets in the 80s. The peasants revolt of 1381.

@johnball99 has invited you to sack Lambeth Palace, kill the Archbishop of Canterbury & establish a new social order without serfdom or class barriers (accept) (decline) (maybe)

@wattyler11 : hey ppl, just been listening to @johnball99 preach, gonna tear up the town tonight, whos with me me #itsallkickingoff!
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@Imyourking. Oh FFS what is all that noise, I'm trying to finish my Geography homework. 15minute study break to quell this uprising, would knight a peasant for a Fanta. Lol HRH.