"That Road Tax" Argument

Kerguelen

Yeah, yeah, I know.

BUT

I found this recently: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Ow ... G_10012524

It says that if your emissions are 100g/km or below your VED is £0.

And on here: http://www.carpages.co.uk/co2/co2-0-to-100-1.asp

You can find plenty of cars that emit 100g/km or less.

So... am I missing something? Do they not pay any 'road tax' (VED)?

If not, should drivers of these vehicles buck up their ideas and start paying "that road tax'?

fast as fupp

no

no they dont

well spotted- excellent research!

OffTheBackAdam

Yep, it's because their not nasty emittors of excess "carbons" from their exhaust pipes. and so aren't resposnible for drowning Polar Bears.
Those with electric cars, aren't bright enough to realise that they're producing more "carbons" because of transmission losses from that nice Drax power station.

Kieran_Burns

<facepalm>

If you own a car, you pay a one off per year VED levy - what you choose to do with your vehicle after that is your own affair.

Honestly - it stops all the arguments:

"Pay some Road Tax!!!!"
"I do"
"Whaaaaaa......?"

Kerguelen

My MX-5 (Jasper Conran Black Edition, awwww yeah) which sits behind my flat gathering dust. Mostly.

I swear the last time I got in it I found cobwebs hanging off the door mirrors.

On a related subject, anyone wanna buy an MX-5?

amun1000

Or you buy a Classic vehicle (registered before 31st December 1972) and ever pay road tax again

daviesee

amun1000 wrote:

Or you buy a Classic vehicle (registered before 31st December 1972) and ever pay road tax again

I thought a classic was defined as being more than 25 years old, therefore 1986?

Ben6899

daviesee wrote:

amun1000 wrote:

Or you buy a Classic vehicle (registered before 31st December 1972) and ever pay road tax again

I thought a classic was defined as being more than 25 years old, therefore 1986?

It used to be a rolling 25 years as you say. Gordon Brown kyboshed that and now it is as stated upthread.

calonuk

This is what you say.......

Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police officers, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.


Taken from http://ipayroadtax.com/

gkerr4

economically speaking though "road tax" is an externality tax - you pay it to compensate others for the side-effects of your actions (much as fuel tax, tax on smoking etc..)

In the case of the new "emissions rated" VED though, the sole factor taken into account on VED is CO2 emissions - fundamentally I disagree with this, as far as I can see, car driving causes many more externalities:

They produce emissions which ruin air quality
they wear out the road surface for everyone else
they cause accidents which often involve other parties

i'm sure there are more.

So from this point of view I am fundamentally against a "zero" rated VED vehicle. There should always be a minimum payment to be made for any vehicle (classic or emissions regardless).

I guess you could say the same for cyclists of course - we breathe out C02 and we do, on occasion, cause accidents (although we don't under normal circumstances cause any wear to the road surface ). but in the big picture our emissions are so low (people just generally breath out CO2 so how could you work out the additional emission from exercise) and the accident rate so low that you couldn't put a figure on it.

(for the record i pay top rate VED on my car and motorbike is pretty much up there too.)

joenobody

So the comeback when someone shouts "pay some road tax" at you is "I will if you will"?

ddraver

calonuk wrote:

This is what you say.......

Road tax doesn't exist. It's car tax, a tax on cars and other vehicles, not a tax on roads or a fee to use them. Motorists do not pay directly for the roads. Roads are paid for via general and local taxation. In 1926, Winston Churchill started the process to abolish road tax. It was finally culled in 1937. The ironically-named iPayRoadTax.com helps spread this message on cycle jerseys. Car tax is based on amount of CO2 emitted so, if a fee had to be paid, cyclists would pay the same as 'tax-dodgers' such as disabled drivers, police officers, the Royal family, and band A motorists, ie £0. Most cyclists are also car-owners, too, so pay VED. Many of those who believe road tax exists, want cyclists off the roads or, at least registered, but bicycle licensing is an expensive folly.


Taken from http://ipayroadtax.com/

Kinda hard to shout it all out ina few seconds though....