Luz and Beille - Timings and comment from Cyclocosm

frenchfighter

http://cyclocosm.com/2011/07/plateau-de ... o-present/

http://cyclocosm.com/2011/07/a-tale-of- ... -and-2011/

timoid.

Fascinating, especially Luz Ardiden.

How do you explain your man Contador going so much slower up PdB. Do you really think he was clean slugging it out with Rasmussen when riding for the hog?

LeicesterLad

Dodgy leg and a tough Giro.

timoid.

LeicesterLad wrote:

Dodgy leg and a tough Giro.

Do you really believe that?

LeicesterLad

Timoid. wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

Dodgy leg and a tough Giro.

Do you really believe that?

I see no reason why not too, ask me again in November.

timoid.

LeicesterLad wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

Dodgy leg and a tough Giro.

Do you really believe that?

I see no reason why not too, ask me again in November.

Here's a reason: 2007 Inferred W/Kg: 5.95.


I just don't buy it

andrewjoseph

I can't beleive Contadors performance this year. Couldn't follow the leaders one day, the next day putting attacking like he usually does, from over 60km out!

Put me in mind of Landis.

Knee problems wouldn't allow that.

dave_1

it's the trends over time, 1980s to the last few years...the curve of blood doping and rising speed go up together and then fall together as the biopassport/increased scrutiny has kicked in..the times cyclocosm identifies look highly credible evidence of reduced doping when you look at the the trend/curve over 25 years...

No_Ta_Doctor

Dave_1 wrote:

it's the trends over time, 1980s to the last few years...the curve of blood doping and rising speed go up together and then fall together as the biopassport/increased scrutiny has kicked in..the times cyclocosm identifies look highly credible evidence of reduced doping when you look at the the trend/curve over 25 years...

+1

Sports scientists blog had an excellent discussion of this a while back. It might be too early to say it's decreased the amount of blood doping going on, but it certainly looks like it's capped its effectiveness.

mroli

andrewjoseph wrote:

I can't beleive Contadors performance this year. Couldn't follow the leaders one day, the next day putting attacking like he usually does, from over 60km out!

Put me in mind of Landis.

Knee problems wouldn't allow that.

I thought this year was far more typical of someone that was clean - having off days and having good days. His "off" days weren't that off and his "good" days weren't that good.

jonginge

No tA Doctor wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

it's the trends over time, 1980s to the last few years...the curve of blood doping and rising speed go up together and then fall together as the biopassport/increased scrutiny has kicked in..the times cyclocosm identifies look highly credible evidence of reduced doping when you look at the the trend/curve over 25 years...

+1

Sports scientists blog had an excellent discussion of this a while back. It might be too early to say it's decreased the amount of blood doping going on, but it certainly looks like it's capped its effectiveness.

That was an excellent article: http://www.sportsscientists.com/2011/03 ... ht-or.html

Some great graphs in there

Gavin Cook

Timoid. wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

Dodgy leg and a tough Giro.

Do you really believe that?

not at all !!

Mad_Malx

JonGinge wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

Sports scientists blog had an excellent discussion of this a while back. It might be too early to say it's decreased the amount of blood doping going on, but it certainly looks like it's capped its effectiveness.

That was an excellent article: http://www.sportsscientists.com/2011/03 ... ht-or.html

Some great graphs in there

Very interesting article - strongly suggests blood doping was much more relevant than EPO in the 2000's.
Graphs on power output for mountain stage winners over the years very interesting. 1996-1998 - I assume Riis, Ulrich, Pantani?
- 2004 race winner had output of an astonishing 7.1w/kg - who is this likely to be? (I assume LA near the front in all the mountain stages, but were there any massive breakaways?).

andrewjoseph

mroli wrote:

andrewjoseph wrote:

I can't beleive Contadors performance this year. Couldn't follow the leaders one day, the next day putting attacking like he usually does, from over 60km out!

Put me in mind of Landis.

Knee problems wouldn't allow that.

I thought this year was far more typical of someone that was clean - having off days and having good days. His "off" days weren't that off and his "good" days weren't that good.

Possibly, he wasn't as dominating as he was during the Giro, but I think he's a doper anyway and so have a strong bias against him.

It's the excuses that bother me though, he had knee problems so couldn't attack, then went out the very next day and attacked for over 60km. Looked like a 'boost' had been given overnight.