Chasing Legends - ITV4

scattered pedals

they are showing it after the TDF highlights tomorrow

Wrath Rob

Thanks for the heads up. Been hoping this would turn up at some point this tour. Now I just need to remember to record it...

solstice21

Nice 1 for the heads up.

takethehighroad

Boo the Bluray disc has been delayed, I'm waiting

matterai

Nice one!

Thanks

Glad I read this

Yellow Peril

An enjoyable watch best bits were the HTC team talks. Anyone know why Garmin chased down the Hincapie time? Was it American rivalry?

takethehighroad

I'm sure if you've got the time and inclination you can read through the conspiracy theories on here from that stage. I think the thread went to something like 30 pages!

RowCycle

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

I'm sure if you've got the time and inclination you can read through the conspiracy theories on here from that stage. I think the thread went to something like 30 pages!

Anyone have a quick summary?

THat bit confused me also, would've been good for them to explain why.

WisePranker

It's on again this Sunday at 1630 in case anyone missed it last night

KnightOfTheLongTights

RowCycle wrote:

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

I'm sure if you've got the time and inclination you can read through the conspiracy theories on here from that stage. I think the thread went to something like 30 pages!

Anyone have a quick summary?

THat bit confused me also, would've been good for them to explain why.

+1 again - as a relative newcomer to watching pro-cycling and someone who might not have been paying attention at that point in the prog ...

First, what exactly did happen? i.e., how was Hincapie 'cheated' out of the stage win?

And then the why.

Please and thank you.

woodford2barbican

For anyone who missed it, like me, it is on again on Sun17 July at 1630

LeicesterLad

KnightOfTheLongTights wrote:

RowCycle wrote:

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

I'm sure if you've got the time and inclination you can read through the conspiracy theories on here from that stage. I think the thread went to something like 30 pages!

Anyone have a quick summary?

THat bit confused me also, would've been good for them to explain why.

+1 again - as a relative newcomer to watching pro-cycling and someone who might not have been paying attention at that point in the prog ...

First, what exactly did happen? i.e., how was Hincapie 'cheated' out of the stage win?

And then the why.

Please and thank you.

Hincapie only needed 5 seconds for the Jersey, he was in a breakaway that was not going to get cought in a million years. Garmin for an unknown and no logical reason decided to turn up the pace at the front of the peloton, Hincapie missed out on the jersey by 5 seconds. Garmin - Wanke*s.

CyclingBantam

Hardly w*nkers. They had no reason not to up the pace.

Without being flippant, if Hincapie wanted yellow he needed to ride harder. If you get in the situation where people are riding artificially slowly (which is what HTC were, and admitted to doing) just so someone gets the jersey it kind of devalues it a little.

Of course it was a little mean by Garmin but calling them w*nkers is kind of getting swept away by the HTC spin on it all. If it was another rider and not Hincapie there would have been no controversy.

LeicesterLad

CyclingBantam wrote:

Hardly w*nkers. They had no reason not to up the pace.

Without being flippant, if Hincapie wanted yellow he needed to ride harder. If you get in the situation where people are riding artificially slowly (which is what HTC were, and admitted to doing) just so someone gets the jersey it kind of devalues it a little.

Of course it was a little mean by Garmin but calling them w*nkers is kind of getting swept away by the HTC spin on it all. If it was another rider and not Hincapie there would have been no controversy.

I see what your saying, but im sure Hincapie probably put in the ride of his life, so couldn't go any harder, and If Garmin were not going to get anything out of, which they clearly were not, why the energy expenditure? Just a wasted effort.

inkyfingers

I saw the premiere of Chasing Legends at the O2, thought it was very good apart from the bit about the Hincapie break, which was just a nothing story which they hammed up for the cameras in my opinion. Hincapie of all people should know that the yellow jersey isn't just a gift you get for doing X years service. Besides, Hincapie has already worn the yellow jersey before (in 2006 I think) so it's not like he was robbed of his only chance to wear it.

disgruntledgoat

Saw this for the first time last night... Sombre Piano music, nasty, evil Garmin destroying Big George... Meh.

It got me thinking, there's surely a decent book to be written in a few years time on the doings in Astana during the 2009 Tour. After the Grand Jury has reported, just to make it all teh more interesting.

LeicesterLad

disgruntledgoat wrote:

Saw this for the first time last night... Sombre Piano music, nasty, evil Garmin destroying Big George... Meh.

It got me thinking, there's surely a decent book to be written in a few years time on the doings in Astana during the 2009 Tour. After the Grand Jury has reported, just to make it all teh more interesting.

To be honest I couldn't even give a toss about Hincapie, but i'd still like to hear some reasoning behind the Garmin move.

disgruntledgoat

I think Vaughters was probably just mindful of the extra publicity for an other American team and/or was getting some payback on a grudge from way back when.

knedlicky

Some people reckon the idea was that if Columbia (Hincapie) took yellow, then it would take some of the pressure off Astana (Contador & Armstrong) because Columbia would try to then defend it (later, Bruyneel and Armstrong both more or less said this too). So Garmin and Lotto supposedly worked to prevent this happening.

Garmin (and Wiggins himself) later said it wasn’t that, rather they just wanted keep Wiggins and VdV up front, having been caught on the wrong side of the split days earlier. Similarly, Lotto may have just wanted to keep Evans out of trouble (he’d crashed in the last kms a few days earlier).

On the other hand, another theory is that Vaughters (Garmin manager) not only didn’t want the pressure taken off Astana, but also didn’t want anyone from the old Armstrong gang to get into yellow, because of personal differences with Armstrong and his style and tricks.

‘Chasing Legends’ focuses on Columbia and so you only hear their gripes and those of Liggett (who has a soft spot for Hincapie). Columbia already that season had been frustrated by Garmin so, behaving like poor losers, blamed them. Hincapie shouldn’t really have complained either, because that’s racing and he didn’t have the legs towards the end.
Anyway he’d had his stage win years before, when he went against the ‘unwritten rules’ (also shown in a clip ‘Chasing Legends’); he didn’t complain then!

andyp

LeicesterLad wrote:

I see what your saying, but im sure Hincapie probably put in the ride of his life, so couldn't go any harder, and If Garmin were not going to get anything out of, which they clearly were not, why the energy expenditure? Just a wasted effort.

Hincapie was trying to win the stage, as well going for yellow. He should have gone for one or the other, not both. He's as much to blame as anyone for why he didn't end up in yellow that night.

CyclingBantam

andyp wrote:

LeicesterLad wrote:

I see what your saying, but im sure Hincapie probably put in the ride of his life, so couldn't go any harder, and If Garmin were not going to get anything out of, which they clearly were not, why the energy expenditure? Just a wasted effort.

Hincapie was trying to win the stage, as well going for yellow. He should have gone for one or the other, not both. He's as much to blame as anyone for why he didn't end up in yellow that night.

Additionally, if he had ridden as hard as he could but still couldn't get enough time then thats hard luck. Everyone i the race rides hard so he would simply have been taking it from someone else who had ridden as hard as they could (i forget who was in yellow at the time)

LeicesterLad

Ok i conceed defeat, Hincapie is a turd, Go Garmin!

Cleat Eastwood

It was ok, wasnt all it was cracked up to be, I guess the small screen didnt do it justice, I think it would have been better on the big screen. A Sunday In Hell is still best for me.

carl_p

Cleat Eastwood wrote:

It was ok, wasnt all it was cracked up to be, I guess the small screen didnt do it justice, I think it would have been better on the big screen. A Sunday In Hell is still best for me.

Agreed. Don't get me wrong I still enjoyed it, but was expecting something really special. Seemed like a compilation of ITV4 race highlights, whereas I was hoping for some fresh camera angles, close ups on crashes, blood, you name it. The 2 guys in the HTC car (names escape me) weren't exactly inspirational. And the no. of adverts - thank God I've Sky Plus!

Don't think I'll bother with the DVD, not at lfull price anyway.

Tusher

It was superb on the big screen.

Re the Garmin/Hincapie scenario, I read at the time that it was Doug Ellis of Garmin who called the shots that day, although it was never explained why he didn't want Big George in yellow.

I suspect that this is the reason Cavendish apparently dislikes JV. I've never heard any other reason.

Scrumple

TakeTheHighRoad wrote:

Boo the Bluray disc has been delayed, I'm waiting

I emailed them last year, and they said it would be out just after Xmas, early January.

I paid for mine some weeks ago when it finally came in stock after several delays.

Then - another delay. I emailed again sugesting they had my cash and that I wondered if they would ever ship...

1456th time lucky? End of July, they say....

The HD sound better be good, too

takethehighroad

I told you not to open that can of worms, didn't I?

I avoided watching it the other day, so as not to spoil my viewing. I'm looking forward to the Bluray, hope it comes soon

paulcuthbert

It's on ITV Player

http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/video/?Filter=255649

kinesin

it's just starting on ITV4 .now!

geoff_ss

'Chasing Legends' is available on the ITV Player right now..