Car Park ANPR Cameras

bearfraser

What the legal stand on these numberplate recognition cameras ,my work is about to install these cameras to stop the workforce who live witin a certain distance (still too be decided) parking at work .( Never mind that we have all?? probably spent a fortune on our vehicle of choice just to have to leave it at home,havnt been cycle commuting due to illness for 8 months)The issue is that Joe Public is not being able to park as space is at a premium. Surley its an infrigement of our "Rights" somewhere or at least a Data Protection Issue. :evil: :evil:

ollyridesfirst

it's not a data protection issue as the cameras shouldn't be accessing any open databases (DVLA etc). Your workplace though, probably will/have asked you for details of your vehicle to allow you to park there and this is the database it will check - you can of course refuse to provide this information, however, if (as it sounds) the car park is private property, then the landlord has the right to stop you parking there.

I'm sure you could protest and put your case across if you have a genuine reason for driving to work if you live within the set distance, however it's still a bit of a kick in the nuts!

schweiz

If the people operating the car park are members of the BPA, http://www.britishparking.co.uk/ then they can access the DVLA ownership records to find the owner of the vehicle.

However, they can only fine the driver of the 'illegally' parked vehicle.

As it is not a criminal case, they can't force the owner to declare who was driving the vehicle at the time of the 'offence'.

dilemna

You'll just have to get on your bike !!

Anonymous

schweiz wrote:

If the people operating the car park are members of the BPA, http://www.britishparking.co.uk/ then they can access the DVLA ownership records to find the owner of the vehicle.

However, they can only fine the driver of the 'illegally' parked vehicle.

As it is not a criminal case, they can't force the owner to declare who was driving the vehicle at the time of the 'offence'.

So dose this stand for those ANPR systems in super markets? If so, if you get a ticket you can basically just say "Sorry chaps, I wasn't the driver" and there's nothing more thay can do?

StillGoing

No. Your employer does not have to provide you with a parking space. It's their land and for them to choose who they let on to it. I think I'm right that the employer will pay additional taxes for the provision of employee parking spaces? They can also find out who a car is registered to just by paying a fee. Once they know, it'l be quite simple to tell you to stop parking there or they will have your vehicle removed.

schweiz

RichardSwt wrote:

schweiz wrote:

If the people operating the car park are members of the BPA, http://www.britishparking.co.uk/ then they can access the DVLA ownership records to find the owner of the vehicle.

However, they can only fine the driver of the 'illegally' parked vehicle.

As it is not a criminal case, they can't force the owner to declare who was driving the vehicle at the time of the 'offence'.

So dose this stand for those ANPR systems in super markets? If so, if you get a ticket you can basically just say "Sorry chaps, I wasn't the driver" and there's nothing more thay can do?

That is how I understand it, yes.

Unless they have CCTV footage that you were the one that actually parked the car. A lot of CCTV is very low resolution when it's surveying a large area so a pixelated head picture that could be anyone doesn't count.

When the driver parks, a contract is formed between the driver and the land owner, where the driver, by leaving their car parked agrees to the T&Cs set by the owner for parking However, if the driver isn't the owner, then they can't chase the driver.

I know someone who owned a car they weren't driving which was ticketed a few months ago in retail park car park and they used it as a defence after they provided photo evidence of why the parking rules couldn't be followed (which the parking company rejected) and so far they've not responded with any further claim for the fine.

They also have to acknowledge the receipt of your initial contest to the fine within 14 days. They then have to give you a decision within 30 working days. In the case above they failed to do the former, so broke the code of practice too.

Scrumple

meh?

What rights??

Your emplyer owns the land. They let you park for free - they aint obliged.

They can do as they want, and all the camera will do is not allow certain vehicles into the private land. It reads a number and checks it via an agreed list of number plates they allow. It wont access any other database nor will your firm give a damn about any other database!! Just like an electronic key - with the key being your plate.

I don't see your issue - or what all these posts are on about.

peter101cycle

+1 to Scruples comment, I worked for a company that did this. Controls gates automatically to let authorised cars into the car park.

ollyridesfirst

RichardSwt wrote:

schweiz wrote:

If the people operating the car park are members of the BPA, http://www.britishparking.co.uk/ then they can access the DVLA ownership records to find the owner of the vehicle.

However, they can only fine the driver of the 'illegally' parked vehicle.

As it is not a criminal case, they can't force the owner to declare who was driving the vehicle at the time of the 'offence'.

So dose this stand for those ANPR systems in super markets? If so, if you get a ticket you can basically just say "Sorry chaps, I wasn't the driver" and there's nothing more thay can do?

If you get a ticket at a supermarket (or any other private car park), you don't need to pay it. They are not fines....these companies don't have the authority to issue fines. They may look like it, but they are in fact invoices. As you agree to the T&C's of a private company when you park on their land they will allege breach of contract. Normally threatening court action (not criminal court).....95% of the time, court action never happens!

If it ever does actually get to court, remember to keep any letters you get from these people as they are normally threatening and loaded with lies about how you have been fined etc. This will work in your favour...

I could go on, but there's loads of info on he net....try here first: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclai ... ng-tickets

verylonglegs

peter101cycle wrote:

+1 to Scruples comment, I worked for a company that did this. Controls gates automatically to let authorised cars into the car park.

My dad and my brother have to pay to park in the company car park. 50p a day I think.

snailracer

RichardSwt wrote:

schweiz wrote:

If the people operating the car park are members of the BPA, http://www.britishparking.co.uk/ then they can access the DVLA ownership records to find the owner of the vehicle.

However, they can only fine the driver of the 'illegally' parked vehicle.

As it is not a criminal case, they can't force the owner to declare who was driving the vehicle at the time of the 'offence'.

So dose this stand for those ANPR systems in super markets? If so, if you get a ticket you can basically just say "Sorry chaps, I wasn't the driver" and there's nothing more thay can do?

I though the way ANPR works in most supermarket car parks is that it just lets the computer calculate how long you have been staying. If you overstay, you might get blocked at the exit barrier, which is left open most of the day anyway. This and any fines they might put on the windscreen aren’t watertight systems, they just make it inconvenient for commuters abusing the supermarket’s car park.