What do we mean by horizontal saddle?

RowCycle
RowCycle Posts: 367
edited June 2011 in Road beginners
I've a prologo nago saddle.

When the saddle rails are horizontal it looks like the saddle is pointing downwards. Hence, if I was to have the saddle what I think would be horizontal the saddle rails would be pointing upwards.

When people say 'have the saddle horizontal' do they mean the saddle rails horizontal or some part of the top of the saddle?

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  • PhilofCas
    PhilofCas Posts: 1,153
    ignore the rails, it's the top of the saddle that should be horizontal, ideally put a spirit level along the top, alternatively line it up with something that you know to be level, like a course of bricks on your house
  • RowCycle
    RowCycle Posts: 367
    Thanks
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 16,845
    it does depend on the saddle

    arione - spirit level along the top works for me

    ax phoenix - if level, i slide down it, need to raise the front, then it's perfect
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Pointy-up saddle = increased pressure on the perineum - suggest you change the saddle if you don't want problems.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 16,845
    Monty Dog wrote:
    Pointy-up saddle = increased pressure on the perineum - suggest you change the saddle if you don't want problems.

    how long have you ridden an ax phoenix?
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Its not to do with the saddle, it's a well known medical problem. I know someone who went through a very painful medical procedure to remove the scar tissue in his urethra caused by riding a saddle nose up.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • vision267
    vision267 Posts: 149
    RowCycle wrote:
    I've a prologo nago saddle.

    When the saddle rails are horizontal it looks like the saddle is pointing downwards. Hence, if I was to have the saddle what I think would be horizontal the saddle rails would be pointing upwards.

    When people say 'have the saddle horizontal' do they mean the saddle rails horizontal or some part of the top of the saddle?
    Buy a short level they are quite cheap.Put it on top of your saddle and get it level,also make sure your bike is on level ground.I made a mistke of leveling my saddle when the bike was on a slight slope.So my saddle was slightly up,that was a big problem.I would not recommend it almost ruined my sex life. :shock:
  • Brooks are an exception to this rule, nose up slightly works best (for me) as it slides you back into sweet spot
  • ColinJ
    ColinJ Posts: 2,218
    sungod wrote:
    it does depend on the saddle

    arione - spirit level along the top works for me
    Whereas ... 'Arione - spirit level along the top' makes mine unbearable for me. I'm talking "So numb after riding for 5 minutes that you could castrate me without using an anaesthetic and I wouldn't know you were doing it unless I happened to look down"!

    If you set up an Arione using a spirit level, then the nose and rear of the saddle are level and the bit in the middle is lower (you can see daylight under the spirit level).

    I set mine so the front part is pretty much level, which means the back is slightly higher, but that tends to sag slightly anyway when you sit on it.

    fizik-arione-saddle-basso-close-up.jpg

    A lot of people say that they didn't find their Arione as comfortable as they'd been led to believe it would be. If you are disappointed with the comfort of yours, try setting it up like mine.
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 16,845
    Monty Dog wrote:
    Its not to do with the saddle, it's a well known medical problem. I know someone who went through a very painful medical procedure to remove the scar tissue in his urethra caused by riding a saddle nose up.

    of course it's to do with the saddle, the correct angle depends on design and how it fits the person riding it

    if this wasn't the case then there'd be no need to make saddle angle adjustable

    if it were causing pressure i'd know it, it isn't
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Sungod, I've seen the photos of your bike set-up and don't think that they represent anything near the ideal - they might work for you but certainly shouldn't be the basis from which to make general recommendations. Despite being given two specific examples of the problems of nose-up saddles you still seem to be quite happy to argue to the contrary :roll: The general recommendation is to avoid nose-up for the reasons given, can't we just agree on that?
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 16,845
    but i'm not suggesting nose up as a general recommendation

    if you think i am then you need to look at what i posted

    my two examples are illustrating that general recommendations may not always be correct, due to design differences and/or individual anatomy

    fwiw with the ax i started level, but it really doesn't work that way, and it was with some misgivings that i raised it, not too far, just enough, no pressure and really comfy
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny