Help with Headset pls

dcurzon
dcurzon Posts: 290
edited June 2011 in The workshop
i'm getting a small amount od movement from my fork stem. Here's the story...
I decided to remove the forks so i could weigh them. As it happens, they are monstrously heavy at 1100gms! But as i removed them, i knocked the bits out of the top headset so didnt see what order or how they fitted.

this is a Cane Creek integrated H/S.

I've put it all back together and seems to be in the correct order, but i have a little movement. The bit that confused me really, was the compression ring. It sits in the bearing fine, but i notice it has a groove running around it as though it should be clicked into something, but it cant sit any further down into the bearing.there is also a thin ring that seems to fit on top of the compression ring. It can fit into the groove of the compression ring but not well enough to remain in there.

tech_filler.jpg

From what i can see from the images on canecreek website, all seems to be in the right order, but when i tighten everything up, i have some movement. I would have thought there should be zero movement, or is a tiny bit acceptable?

thanks :)

ps. i'm going to change those heavy alu forks out for carbon at some point...
B'Twin Sport 1
FCN 7 =4, +2(non cycling clothes) +1(beard)

Comments

  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    which headset is it?

    a CC IS?
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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  • dcurzon
    dcurzon Posts: 290
    yup, CC IS
    B'Twin Sport 1
    FCN 7 =4, +2(non cycling clothes) +1(beard)
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    yes which?
    IS2
    IS3
    IS8?
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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  • dcurzon
    dcurzon Posts: 290
    i have no idea... :( is there that much variation in the models on how the compression ring fits? It looks much the same as the diagram i posted above
    B'Twin Sport 1
    FCN 7 =4, +2(non cycling clothes) +1(beard)
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    dcurzon wrote:
    i'm going to change those heavy alu forks out for carbon at some point...
    My Daughters steel forks are lighter than that!

    The picture you've posted is of an external headset with cartridge bearings.....

    Simon
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • dcurzon
    dcurzon Posts: 290
    looks a lot like 10IS http://canecreek.com/manuals/Headset_In ... ctions.pdf

    The pic in my first post was to show the bearing, compression ring and the slim cover/washer above that, which looks the same to my eyes
    B'Twin Sport 1
    FCN 7 =4, +2(non cycling clothes) +1(beard)
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    Ok then pics of the parts of YOUR headset that you are having issues with.

    unless you can see which it is on your bike.

    You most likely have missed something or have something in the incorrect order but without knowing exactly which headset or seeing your headset it is hard to say correctly.

    most likely spacers and center cones.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
    Parktools :?:SheldonBrown
  • dcurzon
    dcurzon Posts: 290
    On the top cover, it has the code:
    VP-A01ACG

    a bit of googling threw up this:
    http://en.vpcomponents.com/headset_show ... =12&pid=12

    so its a SEMI Integrated (my bad). Cant find much useful info about these, or where one might buy parts or even a complete replacement for it. So perhaps i should move my question along a bit...

    If i'm planning on replacing the forks anyway, to save bothering with removing the crown race from the old fork and refitting it to the new one, maybe it would make more sense to just replace the headset with a recognisable one - in which case, what things do i need to consider? I noticed that some headsets come with numbers after such as 45/45 or 36/45, i'm not sure what these relate to. What would be a recommended (but cheap) headset to install?

    i'm pretty confident i can fit a headset without too much trouble, done it on a few m/cycles over the years so i'm guessing its a similar procedure.

    thanks :)
    B'Twin Sport 1
    FCN 7 =4, +2(non cycling clothes) +1(beard)
  • dcurzon
    dcurzon Posts: 290
    fixed.
    had to apply some of the grey matter to work out how something that should be pretty simple, was causing me troubles. so i had a little think...

    i'd tightened up the bolts in the wrong sequence.
    Directly above the top cover, there is a spacer which tightens, followed by a few regular spacers, then the stem and the top cap/pre-load. I'd tightened up the first spacer BEFORE i did the pre-load.

    Loosened it all off, did pre-load, then gently nipped up the spacer and stem, all is ok now.
    B'Twin Sport 1
    FCN 7 =4, +2(non cycling clothes) +1(beard)

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