gippoes at lee quarry part 2

grant43

just been up lee quarry and theres even more soap dodging scum parked at the bottom not much room now for bikers to park up,so if poss park on the car park at the kingfisher building or take a pick up and blend in

stumpyjon

Yeah, noticed driving home tonight that they're now all over the raod as well as on the rough areas. I imgaine the council are on with it as they have offices in the Kingfisher building. Trouble is the travellers know the law and exploit it very well. Apparently they turned up with a JCB this time and moved some of the large boulders. I think the only thing that will stop them is proper development of the site, hopefully the council will think the same and put some more effort into creating a proper trail head in that area. There are tentative plans (and one of the local councillors is also very actively involved in a local moutain biking action group www.pmba.org.uk) so you never know. A lot of people have finally woken up to how good Lee Quarry is.

piker

Most travellers are on there way up to Appleby in the next week ,so they should be gone soon.
They might call of again on the way back though. :roll:

reyrol

Be carefull what you say about the gyppoes they might tarmac over all the trails!

grant43

yes forgot about that they might nick some of the stone flags off the track too

clodhoppa74

nowt like a bit of casual racism.

grant43 wrote:

more soap dodging scum

reyrol wrote:

Be carefull what you say about the gyppoes they might tarmac over all the trails!

grant43 wrote:

yes forgot about that they might nick some of the stone flags off the track too

because people living in houses never break the law, or nick stuff....

ravey1981

clodhoppa74 wrote:

nowt like a bit of casual racism.

grant43 wrote:

more soap dodging scum

reyrol wrote:

Be carefull what you say about the gyppoes they might tarmac over all the trails!

grant43 wrote:

yes forgot about that they might nick some of the stone flags off the track too

because people living in houses never break the law, or nick stuff....

B*llocks to that, they're dirty scum and need sorting out. Im sick of being stuck behind them doing 5mph on the A65 with they're horse drawn jalopys. They dont give a f*ck.

DCR00

i was up there on Friday and didnt notice any travellers

we asked nicely at the front desk and they let us use the council office carpark

ricardo_smooth

Not all travellers are as bad as you lot make out. How many of you have DIRECTLY experienced them being unpleasent to YOU or stolen any of YOUR stuff? I think some on here forget that. It's as bad as saying eveyone from Afghanistan is a suicide bomber. Open your shallow minds and get a bloody grip!

With regards to them being dirty scum. I teach a few travellers at the local secondary school and you wouldn't even know they were travellers unless they told you themselves. In fact i'd go so far as to say some could do with taking a leaf out of there book with regards to commitment and behaviour!

Thing is cyclists go mad when someone says that we are inconsiderate to walkers or traffic if we are on the road..... again an example of the MINORITY giving everyone a bad name!

stumpyjon

Personally never had any issues with them when they've been camped down at Futures Park. That said I've not parked down there, just ridden through on the way up to the quarry.

They often don't help themselves though in the eyes of the local community. They can be intimidating and have discouraged people from using the trails at Lee Quarry. More specifically every time they move on the council is left with a significant clean up bill in the thousands. On balence I'd rather they weren't there, it's not their land and they don't respect the area either. They soak up funds that could otherwise hve been used towards Bacup's desparately needed regeneration. In short if you don't want to alienate others don't sh*t (literally) on their doorstep.

The new council seem to agree and are working on short term ways to prevent their return. Longer term there is a hope that there will be a permenant hub in the area they were camped. There's a feasibilty study being undertaken at the moment. Keep an eye on www.pmba.org.uk for more updates as they happen.

andrewyzfr6

Awful funny that when they arrive here the petty crimes (thefts etc) go way up. And where they do stay turns into a no go area, plus when they leave, we(the tax payer) have to foot the bill to clean up the mess:-(
That said, they havent been here for a few years now:-)

piker

ricardo_smooth wrote:

Not all travellers are as bad as you lot make out. How many of you have DIRECTLY experienced them being unpleasent to YOU or stolen any of YOUR stuff? I think some on here forget that. It's as bad as saying eveyone from Afghanistan is a suicide bomber. Open your shallow minds and get a bloody grip!

With regards to them being dirty scum. I teach a few travellers at the local secondary school and you wouldn't even know they were travellers unless they told you themselves. In fact i'd go so far as to say some could do with taking a leaf out of there book with regards to commitment and behaviour!

Thing is cyclists go mad when someone says that we are inconsiderate to walkers or traffic if we are on the road..... again an example of the MINORITY giving everyone a bad name!

I know a couple of traveller familys myself only they dont "travel" any more and live on a permanent council site.The kids all go to school and although lippy little gets are no worse than the other kids on the estate.They have to live in the area and the majority respect the locals and the area.If there is a problem,a word with the grandad who runs the site sorts it out quickly.
That is the difference,when they go on the road they are not in one area for longer than a couple of weeks and dont have to respect the locals or the area.

clodhoppa74

andrewyzfr6 wrote:

Awful funny that when they arrive here the petty crimes (thefts etc) go way up. And where they do stay turns into a no go area, plus when they leave, we(the tax payer) have to foot the bill to clean up the mess:-(
That said, they havent been here for a few years now:-)

never heard of ther local toe-rags going out on the rob when the gypsies turn up? used to happen where we were all the time. they go on the rob as they know the gypsies will get the blame.

not saying anyone's perfect, or that the issues that people raise aren't valid, there's just ways of saying it that aren't bigoted racist vitriol. as stumpy has shown.

nozzac

Are they a race then? I wasn't aware of that.

Seems to me what people call gypsies covers a lot of ground. You get the predominantly Irish travellers, the romani ones and then just plain "travellers" who can be anyone who fancies living on the road. So that would cover the white race and whatever race the romani are based on (Egyptian maybe given the gypsy word?). Most of the UK ones appear to be white. I don't see how it can be racist as such. Prejudiced or ethnist maybe.

Whilst I wouldn't want to judge any individual person on the behaviour of the group they happen to belong to, I think it's naive to believe that all the rumours of theft and antisocial behaviour are just "racism".

I personally knew some travellers here in Berkshire who were neither irish nor romani but just what might be called "soap dodgers". They made ends meet by claiming benefits, shop-lifting and selling hash. Not breaking any stereotypes there then. Some of the irish ones came and occupied a school field near me too once. They broke the fences down, let their dogs crap all over it, left bags of rubbish and cost the local rate payers thousands. Again not doing their reputation any favors. The only shootings I've heard of in Crowthorne have been at the "travellers" park (I put it in quotes because they are static homes). However I know a mum from there that takes her kids to the school and she seems very nice. So not all bad but something going on as a group that isn't very healthy either.

It makes things tricky because if you met some gypsy kids you wouldn't want to treat them any differently, but then I wouldn't want to leave my car full of stuff next to a travellers camp either.

Thewaylander

Recently had a big issue with the buggers, week with out interwebs at home as some of the pikey ones decided they needed to steal copper from my local exchange,

Not all travellers are bad i agree, but there seems to be a general lack of care about others in the lifestyle

njee20

They used to come into the LBS when I worked there and they were pretty awful people frankly, lots of stealing, general being cocks (riding bikes around the shop and what not). A bit of casual racism doesn't really seem misdirected.

clodhoppa74

imho casual racism is always misdirected. sure, there are ar53h0le5 that are amnong them. we have them in the non-travelling community too. i don't fancy leaving my bike on the top of the car in the middle of canterbury estate in bradford with a load of kit in. that doesn't mean everyone in council housing is a thief though.

it's a vicious circle innit. some travellers are arses, the non-travellers start treating them all as thieves, they might as well act as thieves etc.

not saying any of what people are saying isn't true, or that they've had bad experiences, just that to start 'spouting' about scumbags and soap dodgers seems a bit off, in these supposedly enlightened times.

if i were to start saying i don't trust black men near my bikes, because they're all yardy gangster n*****rs, then i think i'd be due a word tbh.

andrewyzfr6

I see what you mean about the way its been said clodhoppa74. But racist?!
But then again the popular name for a chinese takeaway is now racist :roll: !!!
And the traditional travellers used to provide certain services, up here anyway, but that was years ago, before I left school. The ones that arrived here in more recent times would steel non nailed down items, they were in gardens nearby checking for locked sheds etc, Ive seen them at that in the gardens, and all they tell the police was they were lost etc (same as any thief i suppose) Where we are things rarely get stollen (I leave keys in the car constantly), the list of potential locals doing that is a very short list!

njee20

the non-travellers start treating them all as thieves, they might as well act as thieves etc

Don't be ridiculous! By that logic should we all start riding on pavements and jumping red lights, we're tarred with that brush anyway, so we may as well not disappoint.

Do you honestly think that any of the 'straight' ones have thought 'meh, they think I'm thieving scum, and I could use a new television, I'll pop down Curry's at 3am'.

mattyg2004

A mate is a copper and was covering appelby. He found an ear in a field. Ripped or bitten off in a fight.

Of course no-one has reported an ear being missing.

steve1312

Are they still there, was going to go at the weekend

shm_uk

nowt like a bit of casual racism

:roll:

Gypsies aren't a 'race' so it's not racism.

kaytronika

shm_uk wrote:

nowt like a bit of casual racism

:roll:

Gypsies aren't a 'race' so it's not racism.

Xenophobia

kaytronika

oops double post

stumpyjon

The travellers have all gone, the council has adopted the road (easier to move them on) and anti tank ditches have been dug. I don't think they'll be back, especially as they now seem to have discovered the recently closed down Focus DIY has a lovely riverside carpark in the middle of town.

grant43

would you believe before they moved to focus car park they moved onto the football pitch in front of my house talk about cheek left the place a right tip some nice gippo girls in mini skirts and sexy outfits though

Lowride

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