Cippo calls Cav fat...bin Laden still dead

Bakunin

“Mark is being mismanaged. I do not believe he’s 100 percent devoted to his profession and, in fact, he’s fat. How is it possible that someone as talented as him has only won three races this season?”

The politics of throwing grenades or stating the obvious?

(All apologies to Tusher.)


http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/05/ ... cav_174251

Gazzaputt

If he's fat then there isn't any hope for the rest of us.

Cipo loves throwing grenades like this it keeps him in the public eye which he adores.

Yellow Peril

I love Cipo and I love Cav, I can't bear it if the three of us can no longer be friends...

inkyfingers

My fiance said he looked fat the other day when he won the stage. I think he looked a little overweight (for a cyclist) at the beginning of the season and I think he still may be a little heavy now. Personally I don't think that new HTC kit is very flattering to any of the riders though.

If Cav can shift that little bit of weight between now and the tour all this will be forgotten. The fact that he only has three wins so far this season is irrelevant, his goals this year are in July and September, his days of worrying about picking up 20 wins a year are behind him in my opinion, if he can win 4 or 5 tour stages, the green jersey a few other GT stages and either MSR, GW, PT or the worlds in any one year then he'll have been successful. Grabbing lots of stage wins in smaller stage races is good but not essential, HTC have plenty of other good riders who can mop those up.

rick_chasey

I have often wondered why Cav isn't leaner.

Maybe it is a lack of discpline.

You'd think he'd be more on that though, if it was a problem.


*shrugs*

If he can lose some weight he bloody should!

cristoff

Do we expect him to do what he did the other day if he was overweight? You cant race 100+ km's then outsprint everyone at the end if you are carrying too many chicken nuggets and McFlurrys in yer gut!!

If he was out of shape he would be coming in down the food chain on EVERY race, surely?

josame

cristoff wrote:

Do we expect him to do what he did the other day if he was overweight? You cant race 100+ km's then outsprint everyone at the end if you are carrying too many chicken nuggets and McFlurrys in yer gut!!

If he was out of shape he would be coming in down the food chain on EVERY race, surely?

Yep that whole post made a huge amount of sense :roll:

Cipo is talking about consistency - he has only won three races

inkyfingers

cristoff wrote:

Do we expect him to do what he did the other day if he was overweight? You cant race 100+ km's then outsprint everyone at the end if you are carrying too many chicken nuggets and McFlurrys in yer gut!!

If he was out of shape he would be coming in down the food chain on EVERY race, surely?

When I said he looked overweight, I meant he looked overweight for a pro cyclist. I imagine that his BMI or body fat % is still well below 99% of the male population. The tell tale sign is that he's doing OK on the flat stages, but seems to be struggling whenever there is even a moderate hill.

To win the green jersey over someone like Farrar or Hushovd he needs to be getting over the hills and contesting the bunch sprints with them, even if it's not for the stage win. Remember the stage that Vino won in the tour last year when Cav won the sprint for 2nd, Cav in his current shape would probably have been dropped on the climb before the finish, hopefully he'll be back in that shape by July.

TMR

To be fair, Mark has had some bad luck in some of the races, untimely mechanicals etc. You cannot expect him to perform at the top level for the whole year, different riders peak at different times.

I think Cippo needs to divert his energy elsewhere; perhaps find a Commisaire to throw a water bottle at or something :roll:

Jez mon

He has always looked a bit on the chubby side for a pro cyclist. However, its never held him back from being the fastest sprinter, has it! I think he'll probably lose a few pounds before the tour, it just isn't healthy to be at that kind of weight for long periods of time, maybe he feels that its better to be slightly overweight (for a pro) than to be vulnerable to colds all the time...

Anywas, I think a slow start to the season is almost a cav tradmark now!

rick_chasey

He's never lean in the face or on the limbs.

I don't necessarily buy the excuse of "he wins a lot so all is well"

For all we know, he could be winning EVEN MORE if he'd stop putting the pies in his face.

He might lose a lot of power if he does, though I find that a little unlikely.


It does beg the question why does Cav never look lean?

inkyfingers

As I mentioned, the kit you wear has a big impact on how you look. I thought Cadel Evans looked a bit chubby when he wore the rainbow jersey last year, though he obviously wasn't as your unlikely to beat Contador up the Mur de Huy if your carrying some timber!

ozzzyosborn206

i think he probably isn't where he needs to be to be flying, but i think he has done it on purpose because he is doing both the giro and the tour, every rider looses weight in a grand tour you burn more than you can put back on, so if he came in at race weight to the giro he would leave it under weight then hit the tour under weight and in bad shape and chances are not make it to the end

bigmat

Rick Chasey wrote:

He's never lean in the face or on the limbs.

I don't necessarily buy the excuse of "he wins a lot so all is well"

For all we know, he could be winning EVEN MORE if he'd stop putting the pies in his face.

He might lose a lot of power if he does, though I find that a little unlikely.


It does beg the question why does Cav never look lean?

Without meaning to be nasty at all, I think he has quite a big head for his body size which may make him look a bit "chunkier" than other riders. When I've met him he seems a lot more petite than you'd imagine - not just short, but a very slender bloke. As for losing power, that would probably be less of an issue for Cav than lots of other sprinters - he has lower power to start with, but knows how to use it and is extremely aerodynamic in the sprint.

I would like to see him show a bit more in the hills, he's relatively light for a sprinter so I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be able to keep up with the likes of Hushovd. This may come with time though, a lot of sprinters seem to fare better on the climbs as they get a bit older.

rick_chasey

Yeah it's true.

Look, it's all speculation from my end.

He never has that hollow cheek look that, say, to take it a little extreme, Basso



Or Hincape.

Gazzaputt

Rick Chasey wrote:

He's never lean in the face or on the limbs.

I don't necessarily buy the excuse of "he wins a lot so all is well"

For all we know, he could be winning EVEN MORE if he'd stop putting the pies in his face.

He might lose a lot of power if he does, though I find that a little unlikely.


It does beg the question why does Cav never look lean?

Doubt he's ' putting the pies in his face'.

FFS your making making comments with no foundation.

He is what he is small and powerful.

rick_chasey

Gazz - think you've got the tone of my post a lil' wrong!

oscarbudgie

This coming from Cippo of all people - the man who never finished a Tour because he couldn't get over the mountains?
I suspect the Giro is mostly a training exercise for Cav - the way to get good at hills is to ride up them

calvjones

oscarbudgie wrote:

This coming from Cippo of all people - the man who never finished a Tour because he couldn't get over the mountains?
I suspect the Giro is mostly a training exercise for Cav - the way to get good at hills is to ride up them

+1. He's ticked his Giro box - one win, on the way to matching Peta's 3 GT stages this year -and done so a couple of months ahead of needing to be in absolutely tip top shape and subject to all sorts of immunological nastles. Doing OK I would say.

andyp

oscarbudgie wrote:

This coming from Cippo of all people - the man who never finished a Tour because he couldn't get over the mountains?
I suspect the Giro is mostly a training exercise for Cav - the way to get good at hills is to ride up them

What does Cipollini's Tour finishing record have to do with his ability to comment on a fellow sprinter?

The irony of your posting on this resonates loudly on today of all days, as it is the last day we can expect to see Cavendish in the Giro, i.e. he's going to abandon because of the mountains.

Cipollini was Italian, riding for Italian teams so was mainly paid to win stages in the Giro, which he did in spades, and win the points jersey, which he achieved three times. The Tour for him was a secondary goal.

lostboysaint

andyp wrote:

oscarbudgie wrote:

This coming from Cippo of all people - the man who never finished a Tour because he couldn't get over the mountains?
I suspect the Giro is mostly a training exercise for Cav - the way to get good at hills is to ride up them

What does Cipollini's Tour finishing record have to do with his ability to comment on a fellow sprinter?

The irony of your posting on this resonates loudly on today of all days, as it is the last day we can expect to see Cavendish in the Giro, i.e. he's going to abandon because of the mountains.

Cipollini was Italian, riding for Italian teams so was mainly paid to win stages in the Giro, which he did in spades, and win the points jersey, which he achieved three times. The Tour for him was a secondary goal.

And of course the prize money kept him in needles

rajMAN

I agree, he does look a little "stocky" but the big target is in July. Nothing to worry about in my opinion.

B3rnieMac

i've thought this as well any time ive seen him in the giro....the giro, this year at least, is still "training mode" for him so he'll be leaner in france. this giro isnt traditional-sprint friendly so i'm guessing he's just using this to get race miles in his legs.

King Donut

B3rnieMac wrote:

this giro isnt traditional-sprint friendly so i'm guessing he's just using this to get race miles in his legs.

I was thinking the same. Maybe to give him more chance of picking up points as well as stage wins on the tour. Green jersey is surely a big target this year.

rick_chasey

I dobut if he'll be any leaner coming into the Tour.

He just looks like that.

TMR

When is Stage 12 any way? I'm presuming it's tomorrow as there's no spoiler thread...

smithy21

Cornoyemade is obviously not back from school yet but when he is he is going to be all over this thread!

attica

Who said that? Internet forum people?

ballspondroad

Using the 'Pro Bike' postings on BikeRadar I've put together this table of riders heights, masses and BMIs. Now, before everyone swamps the board pointing out how unreliable and rubbish this is, I agree, but they are still mildly interesting.

Name Date Height/m Mass/kg BMI
Hushovd 08/04/2011 1.83 83 24.8
Cancellara 09/04/2011 1.86 82 23.7
Cavendish 08/07/2010 1.75 69 22.5
Guilbert 19/01/2011 1.79 72 22.5
Boonen 26/01/2011 1.92 82 22.2
Farrer 14/02/2011 1.83 74 22.1
Horner 16/05/2011 1.8 70 21.6
Guesdon 12/04/2011 1.85 73 21.3
Menchov 19/05/2011 1.78 67 21.1
Zabriskie 18/05/2011 1.82 70 21.1
De Negri 22/09/2010 1.69 60 21.0
Basso 23/07/2010 1.83 70 20.9
Euser 15/05/2011 1.7 58 20.1
Contador 22/07/2010 1.77 62 19.8
Schleck (A) 13/01/2011 1.86 68 19.7
Fleeman 13/09/2010 1.8 63 19.4
Wegelius 15/12/2010 1.8 62 19.1

On the 'is MC a bit lardy' question, this table suggests he has a mesomorphic build but is not very tall and so appears 'fat' compared to his more gracile and/or taller colleagues. Plus the camera always adds 10 pounds.

dougzz

^^
No Canc weighs 156Kgs, I remember seeing it in another post

rick_chasey

dougzz wrote:

^^
No Canc weighs 156Kgs, I remember seeing it in another post

*deep breath*

I can't help it if you all don't watch the superior sporza coverage.