What Carbon ? Looking For Super Aggressive Geometry

gb155
gb155 Posts: 2,048
edited May 2011 in Road buying advice
Hey All

Looking at getting myself a Madone as it seems to have an aggressive Geometry like my CAAD9 (I may be wrong though), What other carbon bikes out there have the same aggressiveness as the Cannondale CAAD9?

Thanks

Gaz
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  • rozzer32
    rozzer32 Posts: 3,923
    Cannondale Super Six :wink:
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,666
    Any carbon race-oriented bike!

    But if you love your CAAD9 then a supersix is the natural choice...
  • gb155
    gb155 Posts: 2,048
    NapoleonD wrote:
    Any carbon race-oriented bike!

    But if you love your CAAD9 then a supersix is the natural choice...

    But what are they

    Scott CR1 ?

    Super Six

    But then Im suck on the alternatives TBH
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  • danowat
    danowat Posts: 2,877
    Spesh Tarmac
  • Rule74Please
    Rule74Please Posts: 307
    Define aggressive

    Do you mean a low front end low hadlebar position or steep head angles
  • gb155
    gb155 Posts: 2,048
    danowat wrote:
    Spesh Tarmac

    Looks a little more relaxed than the Cannodnale tho?
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  • FransJacques
    FransJacques Posts: 2,148
    Ribble Stealth/DeRosa 838/CarbonZone/PedalForce PR3.

    They look sweet, just got one for the little lady (I got her the Ribble one) just incredible what £500 can get you these days.

    Really impressed.

    Not totally impressed that it didn't come with anything - no HS, no headtube spacers (Giants, Cervelos, Canyons come with the stuff), it just took more time to get it all.
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  • gb155
    gb155 Posts: 2,048
    Define aggressive

    Do you mean a low front end low hadlebar position or steep head angles

    Cannondale CAAD9 :D

    Horizontal Top Tube, Stiff as a board !
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  • nferrar
    nferrar Posts: 2,511
    Budget? There's team issue type specials with super-short head tube (like the Wilier Cento Uno). Otherwise just check the geo on your CAAD and compare with other bikes...
  • gb155
    gb155 Posts: 2,048
    nferrar wrote:
    Budget? There's team issue type specials with super-short head tube (like the Wilier Cento Uno). Otherwise just check the geo on your CAAD and compare with other bikes...

    Looking a the second hand market first upto around £1300

    Im not sure what on the Geo it is I need to check , thats the issue
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  • danowat
    danowat Posts: 2,877
    gb155 wrote:
    Horizontal Top Tube, Stiff as a board !

    You can have a horizontal top tube and stiff bike without it having "aggresive" geometry.
  • gb155
    gb155 Posts: 2,048
    danowat wrote:
    gb155 wrote:
    Horizontal Top Tube, Stiff as a board !

    You can have a horizontal top tube and stiff bike without it having "aggresive" geometry.

    Thus proving the point I need help :D
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  • kingrollo
    kingrollo Posts: 3,198
    I always like the look of the Orbea Orca - could never finance it though !
  • Marko1962
    Marko1962 Posts: 320
    I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the Scott Addict...

    scottaddictsl-399-75.jpg
  • amaferanga
    amaferanga Posts: 6,789
    Why do you need an agressive bike? Most bikes will be plenty stiff enough for your average cyclist and most will allow you to get the bars plenty low enough.

    Don't you have a Trek Madone replica anyway?
    More problems but still living....
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,666
    Consequently you can have a sloping TT and an aggressive bike...

    Sone to consider-

    Cannondale supersix
    Cervelo (any but the RS)
    Colnago (any)
    Spesh Tarmac
    Planet X
    FM015
    Trek Madone Pro Fit

    Bloody hell, I could go on forever!

    First port of call would be the cannondale though as you'll get a perfect fit match with your caad 9...
  • Ciclicasati
    Ciclicasati Posts: 740
    Cervelo S2
  • gb155
    gb155 Posts: 2,048
    Would any of the Ribble brands equate to what I am looking for ?

    I'd guess the Ribble Nero RC Sram?
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  • nferrar
    nferrar Posts: 2,511
    Nero RC and Scuro RS, probably some of the others as well
  • gb155
    gb155 Posts: 2,048
    What about the Grand Fondo too ?
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  • 58585
    58585 Posts: 207
    You could go custom for that money:
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  • Gav2000
    Gav2000 Posts: 408
    58585 wrote:
    You could go custom for that money:
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    I assume his chain was better adjusted when he rode the hour!
    Gav2000

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  • Gav2000
    Gav2000 Posts: 408
    FinishedBike2.jpg

    All black - very aggressive, grrrrr!
    Gav2000

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  • Omar Little
    Omar Little Posts: 2,010
    Had a look on your blog (btw cracking work on the weight loss - were you featured in one of the cycling mags a couple of months back?) and you have spacers and a rise on the stem with your madone and caad9, so maybe a super aggressive geometry isn't what is best suited?
  • EKIMIKE
    EKIMIKE Posts: 2,232
    As with the above post, looking at your China build, an aggressive geometry really isn't for you.

    fm028-werneth-low-1.jpg

    There's a good 4-5cm of spacers there which would totally negate any aggressive position. Pretty much any top end/just below carbon frame from any of the well known manufacturers will be stiff enough for any of us.

    If you like American style of bike like Trek's then why not get a Cannondale SuperSix? Great reputation in terms of function (stiffness, handling). Horizontal top-tube as you have specified. Surely the perfect answer to the brief? They've also just announced a new model so if you wait a few months there could be some great deals on current stock (although the words 'in-stock' and Cannondale are almost never seen on the same page).
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,666
    Holy crap! That's a LOT of spacers :shock:

    Yet you want an aggressive geometry?!

    I'd say your better off getting a more relaxed geometry with less spacers...
  • wildmoustache
    wildmoustache Posts: 4,010
    LOL at that stack. Please tell me that's not yours and your are asking for aggressive geo?

    A lot fewer road bikes have short HTs these days. Wililer have one. Spesh have moved to big HTs, as have Cervelo
  • itsnotarace
    itsnotarace Posts: 518
    Gav2000 wrote:
    FinishedBike2.jpg

    All black - very aggressive, grrrrr!

    That is not "aggressive" race geometry, as everyone else has pointed out already. That bike has a long headtube, and is further hindered by a 30mm stack of spacers as well as an "pointy-uppy" stem.

    What you are showing in that picture is what most manufacturers would class as a relaxed "sportive" geometry

    An "aggressive" geometry is all about minimising frontal area (thus cutting wind resistance) on the bike by getting the rider as low as possible over the front end of the bike. An aggressive geometry bike will have a short head tube, a lack of spacers and usually a stem that angles downwards, or at least horizontal.

    For example:

    IMG_0512.jpg

    Ignore the saddle to bar drop in the above pic, what you are looking at is the stem, headtube and bar position - when riding in the drops their hands will almost be the same height as the top of the wheels.

    Simply put, most normal people would find riding that low incredibly painful after a while due to constant straining of the neck to see where you're going.

    Are you trying to describe "traditional geometry" frames with a horizontal top tube? Even the CAAD is sloping but only a few degrees. Sounds like you are trying to describe a classic Colnago
  • gb155
    gb155 Posts: 2,048
    LOL at that stack. Please tell me that's not yours and your are asking for aggressive geo?

    A lot fewer road bikes have short HTs these days. Wililer have one. Spesh have moved to big HTs, as have Cervelo

    It is, but its not looked like that since after day 1 :)
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    July 2011 - 13 Stone 12 Lbs - Cycled 17851 Miles

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    Now the hard work starts.
  • 58585
    58585 Posts: 207
    Actually I think that amount of spacers is a bordering on dangerous, be careful...
    I would say (ok, another armchair expert opinion) that frame is a couple of sizes too small.
    Really this search for the most extreme geometry, stiffest frame etc is a bad route to follow, you run the risk of ending up with a bike you hate riding, back pain and no desire to get out and ride.