What has happened to EBH?

andyp

Who has prospered at Sky?

The only rider I can think of who's taken a big step forward is Geraint Thomas. Everyone else has either regressed or stayed at the same level they were before they joined the team.

iainf72

andyp wrote:

Who has prospered at Sky?

The only rider I can think of who's taken a big step forward is Geraint Thomas. Everyone else has either regressed or stayed at the same level they were before they joined the team.

Henderson and Sutton? They seem a bit better to me.

andyp

I thought about them but decided they'd stayed at the same level, i.e. the odd bunch sprint win when the top rank of sprinters are missing.

RichN95.

andyp wrote:

Who has prospered at Sky?

The only rider I can think of who's taken a big step forward is Geraint Thomas. Everyone else has either regressed or stayed at the same level they were before they joined the team.

Henderson, Sutton, Downing, Cummings, Swift, Hayman, Possoni.,
Flecha, and Lofqvist have done as well as they ever have. Uran has started well, Dowsett too.

gsk82

ben swift

andyp

RichN95 wrote:

Henderson, Sutton, Downing, Cummings, Swift, Hayman, Possoni.,
Flecha, and Lofqvist have done as well as they ever have. Uran has started well, Dowsett too.

Swift and Cummings were winning the odd race at their previous teams. Hayman and Possoni have done nothing of note. Nor has Uran.

Flecha and Lovkvist are treading water.

RichN95.

andyp wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Henderson, Sutton, Downing, Cummings, Swift, Hayman, Possoni.,
Flecha, and Lofqvist have done as well as they ever have. Uran has started well, Dowsett too.

Swift and Cummings were winning the odd race at their previous teams. Hayman and Possoni have done nothing of note. Nor has Uran.

Flecha and Lovkvist are treading water.

Swift did win the odd race at Katusha. But now he's winning bigger ones and is the GB leader on the ProTour rankings. Natural progression, maybe, but he's thriving

Cummings did win a few races, but he didn't beat Contador on a mountain top finish. He didn't ride get to ride the Tour either.

Hayman's just had a very good classics season which has won him praise as a domestique and a podium at Het Volk

Flecha's 2010 classics season was the most successful of his career.

Possoni: In terms of CQ Ranking points, 2010 was comfortably his best season.

Lofqvist's 17th at the Tour was easily his best GT result ever.

Uran has already notched up 5th places at LBL and Catalunya, with bigger targets ahead.

andyp

andyp wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Swift and Cummings were winning the odd race at their previous teams. Hayman and Possoni have done nothing of note. Nor has Uran.

Flecha and Lovkvist are treading water.

Swift did win the odd race at Katusha. But now he's winning bigger ones and is the GB leader on the ProTour rankings thanks to coming 3rd at the Tour Down Under.

Cummings did win a few races, but he didn't beat Contador on a hill top finish in an early season training race.

Hayman's just had a very good classics season which has won him praise as a domestique and a podium at Het Volk, similar to what he was doing at Rabobank.

Flecha's 2010 classics season was the most successful of his career, but, as usual, it was a case of close but no cigar in the cobbled monuments.

Possoni: In terms of CQ Ranking points, 2010 was comfortably his best season, based on doing well at the world famous Brixia Tour.

Lofqvist's 17th at the Tour was easily his best GT result ever, just beating the best French rider and major star, John Gadret. Keen eyed tv viewers might have spotted him once or twice.

Uran has already notched up 5th places at LBL and Catalunya, although no-one really saw him in either race, with bigger targets ahead,

I've used both eyes to make a fairer assessment rather than your one eyed Sky fan boy view.

blazing_saddles

pedro118118 wrote:

20101st National Time Trial Champion
1st Stage 1 TTT Tour of Qatar
1st Stage 7 Tirreno–Adriatico
1st Stage 7 Critérium du Dauphiné
1st Dutch Food Valley Classic
2nd Overall Tour of Oman
1st Points Classification
1st Best Young Rider
1st Stage 3
1st Stage 6 ITT
2nd Vattenfal Cyclassics
2nd Chrono des Nations
3rd Overall, Eneco Tour
1st Points Classification
20112nd Overall Tour of Oman
1st Points Classification

Not really interested in comparing one overrated rider against another, but considering EBH, prior to his arrival at Sky, was touted as something special, those results don't back up that appraisal. Having to add YRC and points shows it's a thin harvest.
Decidedly meh, imo.
He also seems injury prone, regardless of nasty crashes.

RichN95.

andyp wrote:

I've used both eyes to make a fairer assessment rather than your one eyed Sky fan boy view.

Being a fan, I'll happily admit to. But fan boy is a little too prejorative (they're genuinely one-eyed). I won't make assessments that I don't feel I can back up reasonably. (For example, I didn't say Gerrans, despite his good Amstel result)

Jez mon

He hasn't done terribly, but he hasn't perhaps lived up to the media hype.

He is still only 23, so give it at least another season before writing him off completely!!

At the end of the day, he does show that CQ rankings mean jack, EBH had a better season last year than Andy S? Seriously??

andyp

RichN95 wrote:

Being a fan, I'll happily admit to. But fan boy is a little too prejorative (they're genuinely one-eyed). I won't make assessments that I don't feel I can back up reasonably. (For example, I didn't say Gerrans, despite his good Amstel result)

I was joking on the fan boy front. You seem too level headed to be tagged with that label.

As for Gerrans, 4th in Amstel is a good result, but that's the only result of note he's had at Sky isn't it? That's not much of a return on the investment.

I'm neither pro or anti Sky, but I do think given their budget the number and quality of wins they've achieved, especially this year so far, is way below expectations. Just 7 wins after 3 months of racing isn't that impressive.

moray_gub

Blazing Saddles wrote:

pedro118118 wrote:

20101st National Time Trial Champion
1st Stage 1 TTT Tour of Qatar
1st Stage 7 Tirreno–Adriatico
1st Stage 7 Critérium du Dauphiné
1st Dutch Food Valley Classic
2nd Overall Tour of Oman
1st Points Classification
1st Best Young Rider
1st Stage 3
1st Stage 6 ITT
2nd Vattenfal Cyclassics
2nd Chrono des Nations
3rd Overall, Eneco Tour
1st Points Classification
20112nd Overall Tour of Oman
1st Points Classification

Not really interested in comparing one overrated rider against another, but considering EBH, prior to his arrival at Sky, was touted as something special, those results don't back up that appraisal. Having to add YRC and points shows it's a thin harvest.
Decidedly meh, imo.
He also seems injury prone, regardless of nasty crashes.

But pedro wasnt making any claim to him being special he was basically saying his results were better than Wiggo's and they quite clearly are.

josame

Bayern-Rundfahrt 2011 Stage 1 Win

rick_chasey

Will EBH become the puncheur version of Greipel? :shock:

pedro118118

I remember being very impressed with the EBH of a couple of seasons ago. At the Giro, he was climbing very well with the GC contenders, right up until crunch time in the very high mountains. He was also a genuine threat in the longer TTs to the very best testers and all but the super fastmen in the sprints. Sadly, he is old news. Washed up. Finished.

Peter Sagan is the new Edvald Boassen Hagen!

dougzz

Rick Chasey wrote:

Will EBH become the puncheur version of Greipel? :shock:

A bit like Cav is the paunchier version of Greipel
(TM) Mario Cipollini

smithy21

3rd today.

He's going downhill rapidly- look at the tail off in performance from yesterday!

phreak

He's been ace in the Tour so far, hats off to him, great win today.

kona_matt

I'm a complete noob when it comes to pro racing (first tour i've followed properly) but isn't 2 stage wins pretty good?

redddraggon

kona_matt wrote:

I'm a complete noob when it comes to pro racing (first tour i've followed properly) but isn't 2 stage wins pretty good?

This thread is over 2 months old.

kona_matt

redddraggon wrote:

kona_matt wrote:

I'm a complete noob when it comes to pro racing (first tour i've followed properly) but isn't 2 stage wins pretty good?

This thread is over 2 months old.

fair shout, i'll go away now

derbygrimpeur

to be fair, it was Phreak that resurrected it

cornoyemade

Rick Chasey wrote:

Will EBH become the puncheur version of Greipel? :shock:

Inspired ride by EBH! Two wins in this Tour. Enjoy him now, because next year he and the others at Sky will be wasted due to pulling a baby tram to the sprint.

Shouldn't Tony Martin be higher in GC this year? Probably, but Martin et. al. at HTC have been baby sitting during this Tour.

Can't wait for the sprint rivalry between Renshaw, Cavendishy, and Greipel next year.

LJAR

eh? wont renshaw move to sky with cav?

That's what I would expect to happen. Those two are a finely tuned double act and I don't think Cav has delusions of being able to do it all alone. (though see TDF 2010 for evidence that he can)

RichN95.

LJAR wrote:

eh? wont renshaw move to sky with cav?

That's what I would expect to happen. Those two are a finely tuned double act and I don't think Cav has delusions of being able to do it all alone. (though see TDF 2010 for evidence that he can)

That all depends on HTC's future and whether they have a sponsor. And also how much that sponsor is paying. Renshaw and Eisel have another year on their contract but HTC may accept a 'transfer fee' from Sky to boost their funds.

hammerite

cornoyemade wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Will EBH become the puncheur version of Greipel? :shock:

Inspired ride by EBH! Two wins in this Tour. Enjoy him now, because next year he and the others at Sky will be wasted due to pulling a baby tram to the sprint.

Shouldn't Tony Martin be higher in GC this year? Probably, but Martin et. al. at HTC have been baby sitting during this Tour.

Can't wait for the sprint rivalry between Renshaw, Cavendishy, and Greipel next year.

Is this the baby that ensures that they all get a nice bonus at the end of the season when it comes to divvying up the winnings?

Pross

Just ignore, he has posted exactly the same post in at least one other thread. I think he is one of those mad stalker types who has had a knock back from someone in the past and then goes out to prove how much they hate them

oldwelshman

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:

Damaged goods and over-rated.

Sky should get rid of. He's certainly not worth 5 Russell Downings!!

Did you watch the sour?