Think I'm Obsessed or at least have mild OCD

T-Rekster

Since picking up the Trek a month ago, I cleaned and relubed also applied paint protector to the frame immediately after purchase and after reading the bottom bracket and frame corrosion woes of people here I have just stripped out my bottom bracket, applied rust inhibitor to the inside of the frame, cleaned the bb threads, alarmingly removed some considerable swarf from the area, greased everything and rebuilt ending with a final clean & relube.

please help before I go completely insane.... :roll:


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ShutUpLegs

Can I drop my bikes to you for the same treatment?

T-Rekster

long way to come, I suppose the upside is that I'll have the best looked after cycle ever, the wife was asking why I hadn't taken it back for its first free service yet? it's just dawned on me that it would only result in me double checking everything again anyway, and it's difficult to trust them to have the same attention to detail as an abnormally OCD person such as myself with my own bike.......

AndyF16

Jebus, it's all I can manage to wash and polish (Ti only!) them....

shane r

I've never ever heard of paint protector

johnmiosh

I once asked a professional decorator what he would use to protect paintwork. He looked at me strangely and explained that paint is what use use to protect what is underneath.

Perhaps true for wood, but not bling enough for a bike.

T-Rekster

shane r wrote:

I've never ever heard of paint protector

Automotive paint sealant

http://www.scottstrading.com/

As discussed in an earlier thread

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... highlight=




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P_Tucker

What do you use to protect the paint protector?

T-Rekster

P_Tucker wrote:

What do you use to protect the paint protector?

SH*t=T.......I hadn't thought of that....!

maybe I need to wax it as well, Really even I have my limits.......



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Bar Shaker

Waste of money. Pledge will do just as good a job.

turnerjohn

that product would work with standard colours on cars like the red in the advert as they dont have a lacquer (spelling I know!) coat on the outer. On metalic or pearl colours aka just about everything nowdays ! theres no need for it...just a wash and polish on occassions. Bikes normally (well mine do) come with a lacquer coating as protection...not very thick but enough...small plastic rub protectors or Helicopter tape as its sometimes called is good enough....wash and wax if you really must but as the saying going "just get out and ride"

T-Rekster

Bar Shaker wrote:

Waste of money. Pledge will do just as good a job.

Er no, not even in the slightest, no comparison, different product, different goal.....


pledge as a polish to give shine...yes, but the product I am reffering to is not to polish or increase shine, it effectively seals the paint (paint is microscopically porous and flawed) the sealant creates a long lasting hard wearing layer above the paint.

see image for example of automotive use, (used after clay bar treatment)
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Laquer coating or not again technically you misunderstand the facts solid colours do have a lacquer and all finishes can benefit from this treatment, the simplistic demonstration is how the car beads water after the treatment, it is protecting the paint in a similar way wax does but lasts an awful lot longer



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turnerjohn

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Laquer coating or not again technically you misunderstand the facts solid colours do have a lacquer and all finishes can benefit from this treatment, the simplistic demonstration is how the car beads water after the treatment, it is protecting the paint in a similar way wax does but lasts an awful lot longer
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not true; that is why using a coloured TCut on your car - say a metalic blue (to buff out scratches) will total the finish...as the lacquer is clear ! A solid colour eg. red car (as in the advert) does not have a coating as as such needs to be TCut with a coloured version.

TBH your wasting your time as bikes pick up so many small nicks and scrapes in their life a load of time spent applying and polishing really doesnt serve a purpose ! Cleaning is most definately important (more so to the drive and cabling) but a quick wipe with GT85 is good enough for a sparkly finish .

Goodness knows what youd think of my Madone 6.5 ......thats my winter bike lol

T-Rekster

while I don't want to start a flamewar re paint finish, I would point out that I have been at the technical forefront of the automotive industry for over 17 years, Almost all modern car finishes have a clear lacquer coat, bar a very few notable exceptions but we will agree to disagree if you prefer...

as to your Madone, satan be damned, :evil: what heracy is this that beholds my ears a Madone as an uncared for winter hack.......spawn of the pits of hell you are.....that or simply way to much money to waste.


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turnerjohn

T-Rekster wrote:

but we will agree to disagree if you prefer... Agreed !

as to your Madone, satan be damned, :evil: what heracy is this that beholds my ears a Madone as an uncared for winter hack.......spawn of the pits of hell you are.....that or simply way to much money to waste.
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Got her "reasonably" cheap new and being full carbon I dont need to worry at all about rust or corrosion ...shes def very well cared for though (got full Ultegra for starters and I was a bike mechanic years and years ago so shes properly serviced) but she does many thousands of miles (and hence well looked after) through the winter and thats were the comforts needed......my Look race bike is far far faster but not as comfortable.

Bikes are a tool for a purpose and should be riden for what they were intended for....tis like all these dam "4x4" drivers whos cars are spotless; tis wrong :roll:

Bar Shaker

T-Rekster wrote:

I would point out that I have been at the technical forefront of the automotive industry for over 17 years,

A mate of mine works at Ford in Dunton. He would disagree with you.

He reckons it's almost as useless as Slick 50 and all the other quackery you can buy for your car.

It can give a nice shine, but will do nothing to stop a chip and won't offer any protection over a modern two pack epoxy paint, which is a chemical reaction, not a wipe on finish. If you have a water based, unbaked electrostatic paint, it may make it shiner.

He told me you can do a test. Wipe some of the polish on some tin foil and let it dry. Then see just how steely hard the foil becomes.

But hey, if it makes you feel good...

T-Rekster

nowt wrong with both, ride her hard and treat her gently & careingly afterwards and she will never let you down..........now is that the wife or the bike I talking about....


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T-Rekster

Bar Shaker wrote:

He told me you can do a test Wipe some of the polish on some tin foil and let it dry. Then see just how steely hard the foil becomes.

PMSL, and what exactly would that test? none of the properties that have anything to do with paint sealent anyway... lets test how good my mobile phone signal is by dowsing it in petrol and striking a match..would be just as useless!

just go's to show that a little misinformation and a high opinion can do more harm than good. TBH I don't know what saddens me most your mates inadequate understanding but willingness to profess a knowledgable opinion or the fact that those (in this case yourself) that take for granted what opinion he has "cos he works for Ford"...... :roll:

the simple idea is to provide a barrier between the paint and UV damage environmental damage and is some cases oxidisation of the paint, it does not create a big thick armoured layer that will shatter stones to dust before allowing a stone chip.... :roll:


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mattshrops

i reckon youre flogging this stuff. is that your alleged forefront?or should that be storefront? :roll:

T-Rekster

nope not selling it, while I can obtain the scotts stuff if someone specifically wanted it, it's not really worth the hassle when Autoglym & other sealants are just as good and available off the shelf at Halfords & any decent motorist centre or tinternet

I just happen to think it's a good idea for anyone who like me does not have bundles of cash to splash, has worked hard to save and buy a decent bike and wants to protect their investment as much as possible!


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cougie

Do you get more pleasure from the polishing rather than the riding do you think ?

If so you are welcome to pop round and clean my bikes any time.

I do clean them - but not quite as well as you do !

Bar Shaker

My point is that the 'protector' does nothing as modern paints already contain UV protectors, as does the lacquer. Some protectors claim to create a 'tough' barrier, implying that the paint is stronger, it isn't.

If all you are getting is a slightly enhanced UV protection, just put your bike somewhere shady between rides and the paint will out live you.

T-Rekster

Bar Shaker wrote:

My point is that the 'protector' does nothing as modern paints already contain UV protectors, as does the lacquer. Some protectors claim to create a 'tough' barrier, implying that the paint is stronger, it isn't.

If all you are getting is a slightly enhanced UV protection, just put your bike somewhere shady between rides and the paint will out live you.

now your just reading the bits you want to justify your point of view, the whole barrier advertisement is to simplify the product for those that would not be able to understand the science and it does far more than simple UV protection it provides a barrier against environmental chemical attack, plus prevents oxidisation of the paint, admittedly this is more of a metallic paint problem. finally it provides a surface which said environmental fallout and general dirt and grime struggles to cling to.

can I suggest you do some research before making such bold statements as above, as you clearly, completely misunderstand the product, what it does and how it works...

can I suggest you would benefit from finding out the properties and differences between Polish, Wax & sealer as all three are fundamentally different & the benefits of clay barring, perhaps then you will begin to get your head around the 4 step process of paint protection.




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paultheparaglider

Bar Shaker,
Slick 50 DOES work. If I drink a bottle before a ride I average at least 3 mph faster due to the friction reducing properties. You should try it before you knock it.
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