protein supplements

sheepsteeth

i do tend to do the cv first then do a weight session straight after and have done since i started training, could this be counter productive?

Kaise

yeah, if you're trying to build size, if your trying to stay a similar size and build strength its a good way to do it, strength isnt about size all the time

keep the cardio on seperate days really, apart from a light warm up and cool down on the treadmill or rower.

Full body workouts are brilliant like the one i posted before, and i think i've lost more fat doing that than i did when i was duathlon training.

if you want to cut you need high intensity training (sprint a minute, walk for 30 secs) for about half an hour on you CV days and you'll see the effects straight within weeks

Anonymous

dude doesn't need to build size!

sheepsteeth

yeehaamcgee wrote:

dude doesn't need to build size!

haha, you might be right!!

mak3m

sheepsteeth wrote:

his advice matches that of lots of people but he does his business slightly differently, he does a lot of training using straps and what not to use his own body weight for strength.

my ex common law brother inlaw swears by straps hes got loads all different sizes, can work out anywhere whenever

sheepstwat is fit as a butchers dog n all

Kaise

mak3m wrote:

wears straps, hes got loads all different sizes......

:shock:

foxc_uk

Hello
Long time crud lurker...
I don't know much about protein shakes etc, but this discussion put me in mind of this article from a few years back.



Just my 2p worth

sheepsteeth

i remember that story now you mention it. its certainly cheaper than most alternatives!

yoohoo999

Concorde wrote:

myproetin.co.uk - Cheapest whey protein around and does the same job as any other type of protein. Don't be goign to Holland & Barrett and buying their super duper protein! Marketing bollocks! Why protein is whye protein!

But like has been said, sort your daily diet out soon. Then use the supplement as exactly that, a supplement.

Is that the same for carb/protein gainers?

Because I had MASSIVE issues using cheaper gainer supplements. Loads of sugars so I kept crashing a few hours after them, also caused me loads of bowel problems.

I switched to ProLab stuff, and whilst it's much more expensive, I haven't had any of those problems.

Suppose it's probably the cheap carbs though, rather than the protein.

DCR00

kaiser83 wrote:

DCR00 wrote:

Utter tosh most of this ^^^^

not sure what your basing you opinion on!

I've weight trained for the passed 10 years for different things, rugby, strength, cycling, time trialling, a whole host of things and strength is based on a lower rep.

i stuck to this tentiger full body work out you can find on the mens health forum boards. it looks something like this

It is actually meant for wrestlers to put on strength and size in the off season, but it does work well on anyone.

This can used for weight loss on calorie deficit or weight gain on a calorie surplus.

I would add some core work in either on the days offs or at the end if you like.

If you workout 3 times a week, say Mon-wed-fri, first week do A-B-A, second week B-A-B, CV on the Tue and Thu.

ORIGINAL

Workout A
Squats
bench press
deadlift
military press
chinups/pullups

Workout B
Hack squats
dips
stiff legged deadlift
dumbbell shoulder press
bent over rowing

BEGINNER
Sets and reps 3x10, start with a weight you can just fail the last rep on the last set with, when you can do 3x12 up the weight.

EXPERIENCED
Sets and reps for the first week, go 3 x 8, second week 4 x 6, third, week 2 x 12 and repeat

you can do this in about an hour and you should be able to do it for about 6 months

i went from squating 65kg after having a knee injury using this and building up to a 200kg hack squat and 130kg free standing squats for the sets of 10!

its a proven technique used by a fook load of people.

Basing it on accepted training methodology
Your programme pretty much proves my point
Your gains just reinforce it further

DCR00

sheepsteeth wrote:

i do tend to do the cv first then do a weight session straight after and have done since i started training, could this be counter productive?

counter productive in the sense that you will use up any glycogen you have doing the CV, which is your muscles preferred energy source

i do my CV in the morning, then weights at lunchtime

gives you time to replenish the glycogen stores

CV has no effect on size, otherwise rugby players would all be tiny, which they aint

bennett_346

DCR00 wrote:

bennett_346 wrote:

sheepsteeth wrote:

bennett_346 wrote:

Making sure you train as efficiently as possible

what do you mean by that?

Basically i don't know how much you know about weightlifting and don't want to insult your inteligence if you already understand this, but training effectively means that you're doing about 3x10 reps on a machine that utilises a compound muscle group, that is as opposed to say a bicep curl which will only train that muscle, some train several at once like your shoulders and arms.

You want to leave around 20 or so seconds between each set and by the final set you should be reaching your ulitmate capacity for those muscles, so that on the final rep you achieve muscle failure and cannot lift the weight.

This ensures that muscle tissue is torn by the maximum amount possible so that when your body goes to rebuild it it knows it needs to add as much as possible to avoid failure in the future, when ofcourse youre going to trick it by adding more weight

The protein supplements will be best value for money if you can achieve optimum training efficiency.

Utter tosh most of this ^^^^

Rep range does not have to be 3x10 to be most effective. Nothing wrong with 3x10, but equally there is nothing wrong with 5x5, 4x12, 3x20 etc etc etc. Totally depends what your goals are. What’s more important, regardless of goal, is the quality of your lifting and lots of variety.

As far as supps go, ive found that 99% of them do around 1% of what they claim to. Most are a waste of money. If you are thinking of using it to supplement a good diet, then go for it, but otherwise, spend your money on some chicken (or some shiny bike bits)

Nobody needs supps if you have a decent diet. Protein powder is a relatively new product, whereas man has been weightlifting for far longer.

That said i do use unflavoured impact whey from MyProtein.co.uk after any training and last thing at night. Don’t use anything else.

Ofcourse the rep range can differ from that but 3x10 is a good start, what were you expecting me to do, replace a personal trainer for him?

Anonymous

Did anyone watch "last man standing"? I watched the first series, and it was amazing how modern western athletes, with all their complex training bollocks consistently had their asses handed to them by people who barely had a loincloth.

Thewaylander

Bout to say i think the shakes are a waste of cash,

Good milk has some of the greatest source of simple whey protein you can get, for faster recover. Also eggs and any protein food obviously meat is good white meats being less complex therfore easier for you to convert to muscle mass.

A solid balanced diet is by far the best combined with a sensible regular training regime.